Dressage Freestyle, anyone watching?

[DMK]

@lark berry;3457905

Satchmo had two real live “_ _ _ _ you” moments. It happens. Dressage is hard. International competition is hard. Maintaining the trust in a horse at this level is really hard. Horses are horses and while they mostly do what we ask, sometimes they JUST SAY NO.

Cornet Obelensky had two real live “_ _ _ _ you” moments. It happens. Grand Prix show jumping in a Nations Cup is hard. International competition is hard. Maintaining the trust in a horse at this level is really hard. Horses are horses and while they mostly do what we ask, sometimes they JUST SAY NO.

Absolutely, couldn’t agree more. And while I respect that sj is the only one out there with no subjective elements, it should be noted that Germany’s Marco Kutscher isn’t even advancing to the individual finals, and Ludger Beerbaum, whose horse had ONE real live “_ _ _ _ you” moment is ranked dead last going into the individual competition. If he has another you can bet he won’t be even a threat to the medals in the individual competition, even with a clean slate.

There has to be a better way. Many other international disciplines are hard, dressage doesn’t have the market cornered onthat, and yet other disciplines don’t reward those behaviors with medals.

[dressagetraks]

I do understand how scoring works and admire all the hard work of the riders and the beautiful moments of the horses.

But flat-out and STATED arrogance, I don’t admire.

I had posted before reading the Anky quote that she deserved the win today. I dislike rollkur, but I have never been an Anky is the devil person and automatically against her, although I had thought (and still do) that she did not quite seem herself at this competition, like something else was bugging her.

But after reading the quote where she admits that because she knew she had already won, she decided the last halt didn’t matter, and after rewatching in light of that statement to confirm that she didn’t even attempt to salute the judges, I have lost all respect for her, not as a rider, but as a person. It wasn’t lost through my opinion of training methods, judge trickery, national bias, score, etc. It was lost through her own words. And ANY other rider who made a statement like that, regardless of training methods, country, record, etc., would similarly lose all respect in my eyes. I would not take lessons with them for free, no matter how good or successful they had been.

Not that she will care. But I do.

[Eclectic_Horseman]

dressagetraks-
I think that you are misinterpreting her. If you have ever met her, you would know that she is not at all arrogant. She is very, very self critical and a perfectionist.

It was clear to me that she was so excited about her unexpected come from behind win (believe it or not, she has always felt somewhat the underdog to Isabel), and she felt so much relief, that she forgot herself momentarily, and then decided that she wasn’t going to beat herself up about it.

[Janet]

@DMK;3458438

And while I respect that sj is the only one out there with no subjective elements, it should be noted that Germany’s Marco Kutscher isn’t even advancing to the individual finals, and Ludger Beerbaum, whose horse had ONE real live “_ _ _ _ you” moment is ranked dead last going into the individual competition. If he has another you can bet he won’t be even a threat to the medals in the individual competition, even with a clean slate.

There has to be a better way. Many other international disciplines are hard, dressage doesn’t have the market cornered onthat, and yet other disciplines don’t reward those behaviors with medals.

If you want to change THAT, you would have to change the whole way dressage is scored, not the way it is judged.

[DMK]

I realize that, that’s pretty much my point. But if you had some hard and fast rules around major disobediences, that might also help judging.

Might. Might not.

But like I said, as a horse person familiar with another international level sport, but on the outside looking in to dressage, watching Satchmo run backwards twice and still barely lose the gold was, well, not making me feel the love for the sport as it is practiced at the highest levels.

But maybe that’s just me. Or maybe it isn’t just me, but maybe most the people happily ensconced in the dressage world are happy with that aspect of the current system, in which case that is just fine. And I really mean that. I know that every discipline has its issues, and sometimes you need to pick and choose your battles about where you need to make change. But coming from another discipline, there’s an observation. That and $4 gets you a gallon of gas.

[VACavalier]

[QUOTE=Lexi;3458064]
a reference to a USDF publication for an FEI rule is not only not authoritative, it’s downright foolish. Can you provide a reference to an actual FEI rule (as opposed to what USDF or USEF says is an FEI rule, which is often incorrect) that states that failure to halt/salute incurs elimination?

my FEI rule book says the following:

so, when a rule states that X is compulsory, and failure to do X incurs elimination, and then next mentions that Y is compulsory, but does not say that failure to do Y incurs elimination, what that means is that BOTH are compulsory, but only X incurs elimination, and Y does not. Regardless of what USDF (LOL) says.[/QUOTE]

You’re right. I do realize that it was in a USDF book, and I couldn’t find anything other than “compulsory” in FEI rules…but I still think its something interesting to point out.

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