Dressage TB, or not? I've only heard of NEARCO in this pedigree, but he LOOKS great!

[GGStables]

I’m assessing a dressage horse sired by a heavy, old style E-line stallion. He is out of a daughter by this TB stallion, here:

http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=359867

As the title says - IMO, Sevillano xx looks very nice in conformation and I see some jumping going on, but I’ve never heard of any names other than Nearco. I haven’t a clue whether this pedigree helps or hurts movement/dressage. The horse I’m looking at moves reasonably but I just don’t know enough.

The E-line stallion certainly needs some blood to lighten up things quite a bit so I’m not really questioning the wisdom of introducing a TB, but more whether anyone knows something about this pedigree?

[GGStables]

No one?..OK…no worries.
FWIW so far what I’ve discovered about him is that he appears in quite a few dressage horses’ pedigree – obviously further back. I’m feeling cautiously good about it. :winkgrin:

[fordtraktor]

There are several nice horses here. Tamerlane is one. He was a grandsire of an Olympic dressage horse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montevideo_(horse)

Alchimist is a well known name/sire I have seen often in German horses. Not to be confused with the cremello Alchemist.

[mareslave]

Erdball is famous for jumping horses - sired world championship horse Apollo and figures in pedigrees of other luminaries including Big Star http://www.horsetelex.com/horses/progeny/257

[Nootka]

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Alchimist is a well known name/sire I have seen often in German horses. Not to be confused with the cremello Alchemist.[/QUOTE]

Wouldn’t it be a far stretch to confuse the two? RFF The Alchemist xx has been dead since 2011, was an American import and was only 8 at the time of passing.

[vineyridge]

The horse is clearly German. He has many of the German TB stallions who have been used in WB breeding. His damsire Chief, for example, was the sire of Weisenklee, grandsire of Heraldik. Alchimist (German TB) was a son of Herold, who traces to Dark Ronald. He’s found in a huge number of German WB TB sires. Since I firmly believe that Bay Ronald is very important for dressage talent, I’d go back through the pedigree and count up the number of times that Bay Ronald is found. Sport Horse breed Database will give percentages of five generations and twelve generations, but percentage is not all. The Germans based their TB improvement stallion program on Bay Ronald, so they must have believed in him for movement as well as the jump–both Holstein and Hannover seem to have found Bay Ronald important in the programs. I.E. Cottage Son, Lauries Crusador and Prince Thatch. Even Ladykiller had a few lines to Bay Ronald.

Sevillano is absolutely beautifully bred for eventing. He’s even got a line to Bachelor’s Double, one of the best ever TB lines for sport. He has so many TBs who were noted for passing on the jump, that it is almost a waste to focus on dressage with his get.

I’d get the pedigree of the sire and of the dam and count Bay Ronald in them as well.

[GGStables]

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Sevillano is absolutely beautifully bred for eventing. He’s even got a line to Bachelor’s Double, one of the best ever TB lines for sport. He has so many TBs who were noted for passing on the jump, that it is almost a waste to focus on dressage with his get.

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Thank you vineyridge!

Although I thought that the discretionary insertion of jumper into dressage pedigrees is a sound breeding decision - especially, I would imagine, if you can lighten things up with some blood and add the jumper in one easy go using a very good TB stallion, no?

• I’m off to check on the Bay Ronald thing.*