did he/she??? working students do get abused… it sounded like he/she tried and had bad experiences… We don’t know how bad they were so its only an assumption to state that the OP rejected work and is ungrateful and wants more…
Sorry that you are grouchy today, I hope you will have at least a nice Thanksgiving dinner but there is not much proof for most of the assumptions made in this thread…
Oh with those assumptions…today is a normal snow covered day, but no Thanksgiving here…funny thing this assuming.
We had a person come to work in our barn who turned out to have the OP’s attitude… she lasted a month. And then at her next barn, she badmouthed us as ignorant know-it-alls who did not recognize or were jealous of her amazing Horsewhispery-ness… regrettably for her, we are good friends with that barn. She only lasted 2 weeks there. I am sure she has left a trail of annoyed BOs in her wake and yet somehow all the BOs are the issue.
And no, she was not “abused”. The only thing getting in her way was her mouth and tall tales… as in the time she trained a stallion that no one else could handle - and took him to the Championships and won! Uh huh. Odd claim from someone who asked what a “lead” was…
manni - you benefitted from the videos because you already have that “feel”… someone without a clue with no desire to get that “feel”, who thinks you can learn everything you need to know only from watching a video will not gain much from them - and will realize that when they finally sit in the saddle.
KBC - what, you mean Canadian Thanksgiving did not move from a Monday in October to a Thursday in November ??
Oh my gosh… I apologize like a million times 
I did not read where you live… I apologize again…
so you assume that every person is like the one you had in your barn… And I never said that he would be able to become a perfect rider by watching videos… But that wasn’t the question of the thread I think…
Nope 'fraid not, and my English self still hasn’t got used to Canadian October Monday Thanksgiving…Turkey is a Christmas thing…
No but he/she (I like you read it and assumed he) wanted to take a year and a half of being some sort of ‘rough country rider’ and turn themselves into a 4th level rider… Not going to happen by watching videos online. YES to watching your own videos, WHY do you never ever look as good as you feel, or is that just me?
I assumed nothing of the sort - that is another of your assumptions and your words. I said that the girl we had come to work had the OP’s attitude - I NEVER said that “every person” is like that. Where did I use those words or even suggest that? Read again.
manni, please stop twisting other’s words to make them what you want them to be! You would have fired her as well. Although, she told the next barn that she quit because she could not handle the “abuse” she saw at our barn and how stupid we were. I am sure she left every barn due to “abuse” and “stupidity”.
The OP believed they could become a great rider by watching videos.
My responses in blue:
No need to get all upset over something that was never said.
MY assumption is based on real experiences with posters here… and the way this thread is used, supports this assumption and everything else you wrote proves that there are a lot of assumptions… By the way very typical for internet discussions…
maybe the OP believed that he would become a great rider. And maybe he could and maybe he could not…
By the way, many years ago I got an au-pair who switched families because she felt she was abused (work wise ) by her first family… We got along great. The kids loved her and she stayed for the rest of her stay with us… So sometimes people who do leave a situation are not bad in general but it was only the wrong situation for whatever reason…
One of the things that makes good horse(wo)men good is that they are able to recognize patterns of behavior and figure out what generalizations are applicable across a wide range of individual horses. This is basic to dressage, where we have things like the training pyramid that work equally for a humble backyard dressage horse and the brilliant purpose-bred superstar horse.
The best horsepeople can also recognize patterns of behavior in people, figure out what generalizes, and use that to make informed decisions about who they learn from and who they generously provide mentorship to. @smoofox is illustrating a generalization that many of us have seen evidence of – that the riders who bounce from barn to barn, the students who flounce away repeatedly from training situations with bitter tales of being wronged by trainers, the people who go through their horse lives feeling wronged by the world are very often the source of all their own miseries. It is not unfair to wonder if OP fits this mold.
What is unfair, Manni, is your assumption that every person who dares to probe the motivations of a poster or bring a little levity to this forum has malicious intent.
Really? How is everything I wrote proof of that there are many assumptions? You and I have never had any communications before this, so no need to make any assumptions about me. I simply replied to a post you made based on the OP.
And sometimes they DO have an issue and it shows itself over and over again… the person I mentioned came to us from a barn where she said they were abusive and stupid… we rolled our eyes at that and tried her out anyway until her mouth, lack of horse sense and attitude (similar to the OP’s) got her fired. No doubt you will now assume that every barn she was at really was abusive and stupid - just because she said so and yet you never met her… but you always seem to know better.
I have been managing barns for 30 years, manni - I am not the idiot you seem to think I am.
Maybe I should share the tale of the barn manager at our second barn who was caught hiking the board rates for new incoming boarders, telling them the board cheques needed to be made out to her so she could deposit them in the farm account (or some such nonsense) - and pocketing the funds? She was stupid enough not to realize that I would see the discrepancies in the boarding deposits I made vs. the actual amount of boarders. I also found out she was ordering feed from the feed store that never made it to the horses - but into her truck and then who knows where… how dare I figure that out!
After she was fired, she had the gall to use the BO as a reference - and faked a letter supposedly from the BO extolling all her virtues - including the breeding and foaling out that I do here that she did not have a clue about? And yes, we set the potential new employer straight - as we did for every call we got about her. Was it unfair of us to do so? Not in the least.
Maybe she (without mentioning her name) is worth a thread all her own…
Ok you can write very well, there is no way for me to compete with that… Beautiful post, but I am not sure about the connection to the OP… In your post you talk about people you know personally and which you can watch. About the OP we really knew nothing… So although I agree with your post I don’t think you have enough information about the OP to recognize his pattern of behavior…
And why am I unfair??? thats what you can observe here a lot of times!! And what is malicious might be a matter of the individual perspective… You might think its funny, the OP might think its not…
not sure whether we had never had any communications before…for me you are an alter of Sendenhorse… Thats my personal assumption…
not sure why you get that excited… It seems that this was something which had a huge impact on you.
Very sorry for that and its very probable that you were right and she was not a nice person. And I am not sure why you even mention that word Idiot… I for sure did not thing you are one and did never say anything like that…
Why should I???
But I still do not see the connection between that person and the OP… Do you know the OP personally?? I guess none of us does… Why are we even discussing this??? Why don’t you go back to your most favorite topic??? Makes everybody happy…
this is not leading anywhere. And you will not change my opinion for sure… As long as I don’t know a person personally, there is no way for me to know what kind of person she is…
You aren’t really comparing apples to apples here. The OP has been riding for what, a year? You have been riding for many years?
I take videos of myself riding as often as I can get someone to video me. It’s hugely helpful, particularly on my young horse, where I have quite a bit more knowledge than he does. I can watch video, correct issues, continue on, and video again in a few weeks to check in. But this wouldn’t have been even remotely useful to my experience level 15 years ago.
It’s great that you do can do that, but you have to admit you have a certain level of experience/eye/feel that makes video a useful tool. Presumably you’ve taken lessons and ridden many horses over many years. Whether it’s sweat equity or actual money (or both), something needs to go into learning to ride (or learning anything). Watching clinics and video tutorials is helpful on top of that interactive learning, but it’s not going to get you from WTC-ish to 4th level.
ok… you are not supposed to call anybody Troll… If you do it again, I am going to report you…
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