Driving candidate: Standardbred 2yr old

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Pics above are 1 1/2 (when i adopted) and 2 1/2 yrs old(current) I adopted a colt from a rescue. Ugliest little thing came from a Kentucky mined mountain top roundup. Foal with dam unknown. I knew the moment i saw his solid bay coat, long long thick legs, narrow body and very domed forehead he was probably a Standardbred. And i saw promise of a beauty in him. Now, a year later he’s a lovely gelded fellow, and probably the most unflappable horse i’ve ever known. Natural born pacer, so thought i might as well drive him. I have several other riding horses, and my driving mare is deceased. GOt two carts and a harness and it looks like i’ve got a driving boy in the making. Started ground driving him yesterday and he’s soooo mommy-bound he turns. i had a lot of trouble staying behind him…but i’m fast and agile so i scooted round behind. I’m thinking of using very long reins to start off much further. Any other suggestions? I’ve never had a horse with mommy-itis before. Oh, and i have zero help, so i cannot have a someone lead…gotta do this solo .

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Longer lines give him just that much more room to turn.
And wrap the lines around his neck.
(Ask me how I learned this :rolleyes:)

Are you driving him with blinkers?
If so, try driving in an open bridle so he can see you behind him.
Might help him get over the turning.

:lol: “mommy-itis”

Oh, pics please?
I loves me some Roman nose :love-struck:

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I had a grade pony that I decided should drive. So we started ground driving, and he turned every time the lines touched his neck. He had been neck reined for years and years, and thought he was doing what he was supposed to do. I recruited my then child (now an adult) who put a lead rope on him and gently straightened him out every time he turned when I had not intentionally cued him to do so. He caught on very quickly, and soon I was ground driving him everywhere with no assistance. He turned into a wonderful driving horse, and we put an awful lot of miles on together before I had to retire him.

Rebecca

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Run your reins down along his sides, thru the shaft loops if you have a harness saddle or surcingle that fits him. You can add bigger rings to a surcingle sides using double ended snaps. Big rings alow lines to slide easily, for pulling him up, then releasing pressure when he obeys. This lower rein height keeps him “between” the lines, not under the lines . You have control of both ends of the horse, can prevent his turning around on you. You need lines that are longer than most lunge lines of only 20 ft or so. Length will allow you to stay off to one side, in the middle of his circle as he goes around you. You can bend him around you, not have to match his big strides to stay off his mouth so much. I believe our long lines are 35ft.

You being to one side lets him see you, you can see him clearly, how he moves, holds his head, gives to rein pressure for instant “give” to reward him. You can’t view his face from behind, can’t reward quickly or see if you are hanging on his mouth.

We do not run reins or lines thru the usual terret (rein) rings, which are up above his spine, until he is hitched. He can’t turn under his long lines if they are run low, down along his sides. Hitched, he has shafts to help hold his body straight as he goes forward, so reins are then put thru the terret rings. By hitching time he also should be much more responsive to voice commands at this point, after all your training work. Your ground work is to build your partnership, he learns commands and correct responses, without a vehicle to complicate things. He does those commands reliably, when asked in this ground wor stage.

Whoa needs to be instant, dead stop with (eventually) just the voice, minimal rein help. No jigging, no slow responses, no extra steps allowed! This is your Emergency Brake!! You never know when you will need it, so he is never allowed to “fudge” the halt At some point you wIll NEED hIm to halt NOW! He has to obey or bad thinge wIll happen! We have needed that halt more than once over the years, stuff just happens! He learns to trust your requests, you are a dependable “leader”. This all takes time, repeatedly doing the same asking and getting the proper response from him durine training sessions.

With him so young, short sessions will probably be the most successful. We find they just can’t stay focused very long. Sometimes your “teaching moments” are only 10 or 15 minutes of a session at his young age. He sounds nice, make training fun for him, you can enjoy him for years to come.

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Thank you Goodhors. That is excellent info! Your description of driving him between the lines until there are shafts to keep him on the tracks makes perfect sense to me…great explanation!

I’ve only ground-driven him that one time, and then stopped to ask for help. I will move the reins down from the top large ring on his surcingle.to the lower. And i’ll use a long biothane 1/4 roping. (It slides great and never gets tangled)

I am not going to bridle him for a while… My theory is that while he’s a colt, it needs to be an extremely positive experience all the way around. My goal is for him to be light as a feather on his mouth. I began with Gee and Haw on our first little aborted attempt. He’s learning on a leather halter. So no blinkers/no bit. I’m not hanging on his mouth…

Good reminder to make the visits short. My natural instinct is this exact thing! i plan on spending a lot of energy having him learn to stand nice and still for getting dressed. This exercise too will be meeted-out in small increments. I’ll add a breast collar and breeching once he’s good on the reins. And for now, maybe five to fifteen minutes on little tiny bits of ground driving. Again, i want him to really love it, not just do it because he’s a horse and has to.

And…finally, good reminder on the halt command. I’ll give that attention each and every session. First WHOA! then Gee and Haw verbals will be top order!

What a handsome boy! I love standerbreds. They are so good natured and willing. My sister worked at a track and knew many stb trainers. She was always so impressed with their brains and willingness to do pretty much everything!

Have fun with your boy :slight_smile:

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:encouragement: Thanks for adding pics.
He is a cutie.

Having met @goodhors & Mr goodhors IRL, seen their lovely pair & watched them drive, I can tell you any advice from that source is GOLD :cool:

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Got me blushing 2Dogs!

A word on bit contact. Driving rein contact is different than what is expected from a ridden horse. Length of reins will change the feel and leverage you use right off. You can’t expect him to be as sensitive without help of your body and legs in the saddle. We actually think trying to keep them extra light to the reins is a disservice to the horse, because he will over-react when he feels any contact using the reins. Heads fly up, chins tuck behind the vertical as he hides from the bit touch. Can’t steer him from a vehicle with his chin on his chest, that is dangerous! And much as you try to stay light, driving reins “just are” heavier by being longer, maybe thicker and wider, not giving you the feel of riding reins.

We like to go for an “educated mouth” that accepts rein contact with a light feel. Horse gives to the bit, nose comes down as you take up reins slightly, on up to full vertical headset if asked. The hindquarters always continue with drive forward, but the front end is moving higher, head and neck rise to balance body as he collects to balance in your hands. The FEEL of reins in your hands is barely increased since he is still giving to the bit. No tug-of-war, not you holding his head up, he is doing self-carriage, not hanging on you. This is our goal when starting with our young horses.

We think this goal is much more easily attained using curb bits, and time. Final goal here is a horse responsive in a curb bit, ridden and driven. He works WITH you, gIves to your hands, hunts the bit feel if you throw away the reins. Head may drop to his ankles, looking for the bit contact! You and horse are always “talking with the reins” using very light touches. This may not be YOUR driving horse goal and that is fine for how you plan to use him.

Snaffle, jointed or a bar mouth, no shanks, are ok for a short starting time. But (for us) actually seem to make our horses heavy in what we ask of them. They want us to hold up their heads, bull right into pull or go thru the bit. Been true with all breeds we have had over many years. Mouth may be untouched but is NOT very sensitive moving into restraint! We call it an “an uneducated mouth”. You would sure THINK a young horse just starting would easily be sensitive, responsive, but they are not. That all has to be taught over time. Many “hard mouthed” horses are just uneducated mouths, they never get rewarded when they give to pressure, so why bother? Mouths get numb. Many “light-mouth” horses are WAYY over reactive, if you touch the reins, heads fly up, no contact allowed. Again, uneducated mouths, not really light.

We start ours later, at a late 3yrs and get more serious at 4 years old. They just do not seem able to pay attention any younger. Mares are slightly better than goofy young gelding who want to play. Bodies are more developed, bones more finished (though not done growing yet) to take the work of training. Their teeth have been checked, wolf teeth removed as yearlings if we have them then. Kind of funny, I have only had one young horse, that never got wolf teeth, in lots of years of horse owning! Removing wolf teeth young is easier, they are much smaller to come out quickly.

If you wish to train on the lines with a halter, I suggest using a very tightly fitted halter. Tighten down the noseband, crown, so it fits very snug all over. Halter will stay in place better on his head, not rotate around with rein pull, to get in his eyes by sliding sideways with every rein movement. Rein cues will be more clear with less halter movement on his head.

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Again…many thanks Goodhors! Understood about the snug halte :slight_smile: I have a fitted, padded leather one that fits him well. But i will take it up another hole and make sure of a secure fit. I think i probably have a few curb bits around here and will dig around for one. (I need to deal with my hoard of bits anyway and make them orderly again…been rummaging around through them for so long that it takes a whole lot of effort to find the right one)…
I ride all of my equines (horses and mules) in a snaffle, and though one is in an eggbutt, all the others are in full-cheek. I guess after 65 years of habit it’s going to be really difficult for me to change, but i’ll give it a try. The Morgan mare i used to drive (all over hill and dale) went in a driving bit(snaffle also). But, i’ll try when i bit him in a year or so. For now, i’m expecting him to go ground driven all over the place and through and around stuff in a halter.

He’s getting the pressure thing…finally. And using the lower ring on the surcingle and longer lines and a driving whip made a lot of difference. He stops just fine, going though…that’s the thing. Slightest turn makes him stop. He thinks a pull on one side means stop. He’s such a good little boy and does not want to do the wrong thing!

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