Driving the OTTB

I’m thinking of turning Princess Mare into a jack of all trades :wink:

In all seriousness, though, I have a friend whose OTTB has a lot of baggage centered around riding. He also has some physical issues that have made riding uncomfortable for him in the past, and we’re still not positive if they can be managed to the point that he will be comfortable - physically or mentally - with someone on his back.

It has been suggested that driving might be a good way for this horse to be “useful” (in quotes because his person loves him just the way he is and will be completely content with him remaining technically useless if that’s how it works out).

I’m wondering if anyone here drives an OTTB, and how they react to it? Are they neurotic about something following them, or are they easy to train because you don’t have to “untrain” race riding habits? Very curious.

It is more an individual horse reaction, than a breed reaction in choosing horses SUITABLE for driving. How does he react when frightened? His FIRST response? Shy, run, jump sideways? You need to be honest in answering, because that is what you will get in harness too. Usually carriages don’t go sideways well or stay upright behind a runway horse, parts break so vehicle is dragging sideways until it finally breaks free…eventually. Horse can be damaged, you can be damaged in the process.

TBS are not known for calm, clear thinking, patience when startled, with often exciting reactions. No, not all react that way, but enough do that the TB stereotype has a basis in fact.

Some other folks on COTH here have had or know TBs that drive successfully. I don’t know any that drove very long, problems/issues happened to end their driving careers.

I feel strongly that Driving horses need to be quite fearless, along with very confident in their Driver in protecting horse from scary stuff he will be facing out in front of a vehicle. Takes a very good minded animal to make a good Driving horse. Not all horses are suitable to drive, they don’t make the grade, washout of driving training. We have had about a 50% wash rate ourselves, but we are quite demanding of them in what we ask. Lives can be on the line at times, can’t have one who loses his mind in a crisis. We HAVE been there, survived because they listened, used their training, didn’t overreact.

Sorry about gloom and doom view, but Driving a horse is not “like TV” slap the reins on rump for a happy jog down the driveway. We just make it LOOK easy!! Not every horse with no other use will make a driving horse.

Finding a good Driving Trainer for a horse evaluation of suitability might be a good first step.

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Are you talking about Dungrullas gelding?

A friend of mine taught her paint mare to drive. This mare was dead calm to begin with. She tried on her Tb/draft cross and it did not go well because he was so reactive( was gentle & kind in personality) and I am afraid that a TB in general is not the choice for a driving horse. A small percentage might make it but it would be rare.

Many years ago when I was still a licensed official (TD)
I worked at the Kentucky Gayla show
Frequently there were Thoroughbreds either showing or driving around the area - They were WoW something else fantastic

Also when Tricia and I started driving our mixed gradehorse
Philip Hoffman drove in the area a 4inhand of TBs to a roadcoach and other vehicles

Thorobreds can do it but you have to be sure of a stable personality - JUST LIKE YOU DO WITH ANY OTHER BREED

They can be more reactive but if you know the horse and they are willing to work with you . . .

One of our horses is a DraftX --Percheron x TB and very few TB molecules are evident most of the time - but they do come out as silly responses AND as fantastic bouncy trot moves

also our BO is starting a new project horse she got as a foal from a rescue. Supposedly he was an Arab X but he looks like half TB and his personality is MELLOW and smooth and definitely not a super reactive horse

SO . . . assess the horse in question for personality and go on from there to find a safe and solid horse that is fun to drive

It depends on the brain. A sensible TB can make a very nice driving horse. I had one that was great. She took to it easily and I have another one now that looks like she will be good at it. As others have said, you need a horse that thinks before a big reaction or does a spook in place. The spook and spin types are probably not the best choice.

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I know someone who has an OTTB who has done Prix St George dressage, intermediate level eventing, A show hunters, and she is now competing successfully in Combined Driving events with him.

He is a special horse. TB has nothing to do with that - but yes some TBs can be great driving horses.

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Here is one of my OTTB - “Charlie” - who I got for my youngest brother as his first horse, but ended up as my most favorite driving horse ever. Registered as Beau Sox Breeze by Elephant Walk out of Anamous.

This photo was taken at the 1993 CAA conference at Montpeiler, VA by photographer Brant Gamma, and when an article was written for the Maryland Horse on carriage driving, this photo was selected for the cover. Charlie was the most wonderful driving horse - he loved being in harness and knew his job to perfection. He was so quick to learn to drive (I did all his training), and while he was good under saddle he didn’t really enjoy being ridden because of his arthritic hocks. He lived to age 21, and then I put him down as his hocks were finally giving out. He was still King of the Herd, but on the verge of losing that to the younger members. I didn’t want that to happen to him, so he went to the Rainbow Bridge with his crown still intact.

To this day, I still miss him.

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Have a friend who only drives chestnut TBs…some off the track, some not. He drives a 4-in-hand of these TBs and loves them.

“Why chestnut TB’s”, I asked him one day…“I’ve got a field full of them, easy to match and they’re cheap too!” A true realist when it comes to driving multiples.

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I think it might depend on what you wanted him to do. If the driving was just for fun and the exercise of his mind and body, you might just put him in low stress situations for the experience and therapy for his mind. He might not be a horse you take to the parade or go for a road trip! Just a thought.

With the right trainer, almost any horse can be a driving horse. Some may take longer than others to be beginner safe. I’ve seen quite a few orangutans broke to drive. The first 30-60 days were exciting. After that, not a big deal. Not a job for an amateur, but not a problem for someone with experience.

Other hot breeds are driven all the time. I don’t think OTTBs are any hotter, spookier, or nuttier than Saddlebreds, Hackneys, or Dutch Harness Horses. Those breeds get broke to drive all. the. time.

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Here is a picture of my first OTTB in harness:

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt284/cap7297/Lillie%20Dawin/1988Lilliedarwin1.jpg

She took to it easily and did both pleasure and combined driving in addition to eventing, hunters, and trail riding. We probably would have done even better if I knew then 1/2 of what I know now :slight_smile: .

Older thread but wondering if anyone has any new thoughts or opinions.

Have you seen the chariot racing scene from Ben-Hur? My OTTB would be ALL OVER THAT.

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The Chuck wagon races at rodeos like the Calgary Stampede are pulled by teams of 4 OTTB. Of course all they need to do is run fast.

I’ll need to get two more for a team of four!!!

I was watching KY a few years ago (2? It was the same year Zoobie won advanced pony), and there was a TB doing single advanced (with a really young driver for FEI advanced), so there was at least one out there.

I guess what I would say about TBs, having spent a lifetime working around them and riding them on the track and off, is they - generally speaking - have been bred to GO for about 300+ years to the exclusion of a lot else. I don’t think they are spookier than other breeds, but I do think when you breed for GO, the natural response to being scared is more likely to tip in favor of speed than what my fjord does (looks at it). When you add on to that that so few people these days grow up riding that (wonderful) energy and being a light sympathetic rider, that when they DO feel it, they tend to try to contain it - more rein, less forward, tighter/deeper seat, blah blah blah. That approach will make any energetic type horse, regardless of breed, a frustrated animal. From there things deteriorate.

I imagine if you have a TB with the right personality for driving, and you have the right personality to get along with a horse who is more likely to have that energetic GO attitude* then why not? Looking at some of those advanced level Dutch horses, I get the feeling those drivers know all about containing energetic GOGOGOG without making it frustrated anger.

*Energetic GO 'tude doesn’t mean fast. It means you know there is always an engine idling even if the horse is loping along on a loose rein as relaxed and happy as anything.

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We drive our 3/4 TB Anglo-arab mare. It’s not her favorite activity (acts insulted) but she has placed top ten at state 4h shows. She took to it pretty easy, her quirk is she will wear a bridle with blinders but is much happier with an open face bridle. In her case she’s super nosey and loves to look around and there is nothing we have asked that she didn’t do. We currently have 1 OTTB in training (ground driving solid, introducing cart) and 1 TB (never raced) about to start. I also have a clydesdale that absolutely won’t drive. Really depends on the horse

If you ever get a chance to watch a documentary about these horses you would see the training. They spend a lot of time walking and jogging for conditioning.

A friend of mine had an OTTB that was trained to drive. She did very well with him.

VERY late (years