Dutch harness horse drama. Update major mare/ foal neglect Nov 2023 post 1782 Update Kate Shearer responds post 1930 Nov 25/23

Never heard the term drop referred in this way at all. Just something like “that mare is close to dropping her foal”.
I have heard plenty say she throws color on her foals never she drops color or drops good dispositions or drops anything in regards to hereditary traits.

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I don’t know. Are the 2024 foals all in recipient mares, and who will maintain custody and care of these mares for the next 6 months? Or are some of the donor mares also pregnant? They aren’t listed as pregnant. There are two 2024 foals by one mare who is also being sold. So at least one of those is in a recipient mare.

So if Kate is going to sell the 2024 foals she needs to support 5 mares for 6 more months, either in the backwoods or back at the repro vet where she sourced them.

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I didn’t say it was used on terms of passing along hereditary traits. But just because you hear people say a mare “throws” color, that doesn’t make it correct. If I had a dollar for every time I heard someone say a foal was “out of” a stallion, I’d have a lot of dollars.

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I’ve also never heard the term “drop” in reference to color. I have always heard and used throw. I also don’t think it’s always necessary to correct people on the whole out of or by thing especially when the rest of their post was informative.

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That sounds right - Gene and Ray LaCroix.

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It was Renai - here’s the scoop:

I’m pretty sure it came to naught. People were about done with Gene LaCroix and his shennanigans by this time.

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my personal pet peeve from the breeding world: “out of” and “by”. Foal is “out of” XX mare and “by” YY stallion. A foal is never “out of” YY stallion.

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Depends on whether it’s show hack at US Nationals or show hack at Sport Horse Nationals. Might not be so jarring if they watch Sport Horse Nationals.

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I loved the original show hack class, (back when you had to dismount and strip the horses!) before it was “invaded” by the high action crowd, and they then had to split it into main ring and sport horse.

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Everyone loves a 40 minute class w 72 changes of gait.

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In looking at KS FB page, she has also listed all of the semen she is selling. I am not understanding how you get any increment less than 1 of a straw. ex: Ogano Sitte - 1.7 straws
Makes no sense to me.

I assume you chip off a bit to use for ICSI which can function with much less than a traditional full dose. I don’t know what it means to open the straw, and I assume you can do that without unthawing the whole thing.

Especially when the change of gait is just faster faster faster slower slower slower but doesn’t really meet the gait specs. But I am just a crabby old fart and am trying to deny people the chance to dress up in tails and have fun. So I need to shut up LOL!

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By slicing off part of a frozen dose and using that for ICSI.

If you have a frozen straw and you know it’s well concentrated you can slide off just a part, thaw that, and pull out just the sperm you need.

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So instead of 1 breeding per straw, you can get a herd.

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Ah, I was well away from the Arabian world when RHR was founded! Was that the one he founded to register his Arabian/Saddlebred/DHH crosses?

And I hear you on the shenanigans. I had drifted into the warmblood world when the worst of his controversial antics started becoming public knowledge.

We discussed this on the thread over in the Hunter Jumper forum about Kate and her horses. But the answer is using ICSI to create embryos in vitro, then implanting them in recipient mares.

Using ICSI, you can potentially get multiple embryos from a single frozen straw of semen. But you are looking at a very expensive method of breeding, and using a recipient mare to carry the embryo.

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I was lucky enough to have a horse that could show distinct differences (at least when I rode him correctly.)
The best ride in a ring I ever had in my life was on Tiger in the regional championship showhack class. He broke for 2 steps at the extended trot because I pushed him too hard, but everything else was perfect.
The ribbon was secondary.
I was in tears because he was so damned generous.

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Yah, that’s it - read the article. Altho what it boiled down to was that they would register anything that could potentially trot high. If you read it it almost sounds like saddle seat warmbloods crazy as that sounds. Not hard to see why it didn’t take off.

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I have a friend who picked up a nice horse at a livestock auction that she turned into a successful low-level eventer. When people asked her about her horse’s breeding she would say, “She’s out of OLEX (auction) by trailer.”

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