See… Arabian people are not to blame so please back off the insults.
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Well, I was wrong on her being an Arab person.
But she had formative experience with a versatile DHH so I was on the right track in thinking she had limited but significant experience that made her think her crosses were a good idea.
And it’s not an insult to say Arabians tend to have flat croups and swan necks. It’s pretty much a breed standard
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And there were the ones rescued from the Russians at the end of WW2 and brought to the United States, of which Witez II was the most famous.
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When the saddleseat types started to take over show hack in the main ring, it was beyond frustrating to have a horse that actually did the gaits vs. hooky necked with the high action. One of my best memories is winning a Regional Championship by unanimous decision of three judges, where the ring was filled with the high action saddleseat types, one of which had been National Champion the previous year…and us. I can still recall the look on the face of the rider of the former Nat’l Champ as she got the gate, looking over her shoulder as she rode out trying to figure out what just happened. (ps, our win picture from that class is awful, but it’s all I’ve got)
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And you would be a champion now at Sport Horse Nationals probably!
And PS to someone up thread - come and watch SHN some time. A few hooky necks and flat croups but many many of the horses, even purebreds, look like gen - u - wine sport horses.
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Ok, thanks did not realize they could take part of a “straw” -I (incorrectly) assumed the whole straw would need be converted to ICSI doses, and not just part of a straw.
Arabian conformation varies from purpose built.bloodline to bloodline. This is a purebred Arabian.
And this.
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Also racing bred Arabs have a totally different body shape and conformation.
There’s one here in Ocala who has gone to GP in Dressage by her AA owner.
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Yep that’s another hard one to explain. Come to think of it most show classes are!
But all pales to the crazy broken at c3 neck looking at the ground WP horses circa 2007. Still have no idea how that was accomplished and I probably don’t want to know.
Thank dog that was a short lived fad. Now if only the bosal rein thing would die to.
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Edited to add :Now I had to go look it up and it does look like they can thaw, dilute and refreeze in ICIS doses- so frozen semen is one product you can thaw and refreeze.
I can’t say Arabian would be my first guess for either one of those horses.
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Ok - I went and watched some saddle seat classes and now I have questions.
Can someone with more experience with those types provide some input for how much of their way of going is nature vs training? For example, there are lots of “upside down” necks and (to my eye, anyway) hollow backs. But in the realms of the horse world that I’ve been exposed to, those things are generally attributed to “incorrect” riding (quotes because it appears to be desirable and correct in SS) and not the conformation of the horse itself. Even my purpose-bred WB will turn himself into a llama from time to time.
I feel like I have to clarify, I’m not expecting that a well trained saddlebred is going to turn into a GP horse. Really I’m more interested to know what they go like when ridden/trained like dressage horses (or really just a “normal” horse). I’m expecting a high stepping horse that struggles with collection, and probably some clarity of the gaits at canter and walk??? Any good video???
You mean that odd affectation where it looks like they’re hanging underwear on a clothesline? 
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OK, I want the first horse you posted. He’s beautiful.
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Love love love these two.
There are many different types of Arabs. I love the well built sport types.
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That’s as good of explanation as any…
I also expressed worry on January 1 of this year re: the “foal mill” situation and the glut of weird creatures she was creating. At that time I didn’t know she wasn’t feeding them. Sometimes I hate being right.
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Just Google ASB weanlings and you will have your answer.
Backs are ventroflexed.
Sure there is some training and as always gadget use but it’s pretty much how they are designed to move- as an old coach used to say their legs are on all four corners of extremely sloped (laid back) shoulders and matching to the triangle hips.
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It’s also worth considering that KWPN-NA might not go by the same rules as KWPN. There’s precedence with the hunter book built for Popeye K. I won’t swear to it, but I thought when I checked out the two registries the NA book had more latitude than Europe. I can tell you that the type of KWPN harness horse that is truly successful in combined driving both looks and moves like a dressage horse with an insane amount of elasticity. The NA book appears to be focused on the high stepping horse. I could see KWPN harness horses being used in dressage breeding programs with better results than those programs using KWPN NA breeding stock.
Here’s a link to a very good pair starting at 6:49 and much more what they are looking for in CDE. This pair finished 8th in dressage, in case you are bewildered by the scoring (it’s penalties and it’s an inverse like in eventing. It’s complicated 
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https://www.youtube.com/live/uaerMMdJdXg?si=M-om-1VDCv4qCy-a
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And the Lippizaners, plus other high-quality horses. General Patton knew good horses, made a big fuss and managed to save some.
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