Dutch harness horse drama. Update major mare/ foal neglect Nov 2023 post 1782 Update Kate Shearer responds post 1930 Nov 25/23

“Breed the best and ride the rest” works as a result of a depth of knowledge from multiple generations, rigorous inspection (utterly lacking in the US stock horse world), and ruthless culling. It’s obviously been a successful model in Europe and the Iberian peninsula. While there has in the past been perhaps a stigma against Performance mares, I really think that’s dissipated. What remains is a very sound breeding culture that greatly values exceptional mares for what they bring to the genetics. Why would a breeder sacrifice possibly a decade of foals when their actual business is breeding and improving with each generation?

Why on earth would someone not want to breed the best? If you’re trying to improve of course that would be the choice. Otherwise you would be downgrading with every generation.

The advent of ET puts a new spin on this. I myself have a coming three year old gelding who is the result of ET. His dam was bred as a young horse, and had one foal at four. Then she was started. Her first foal was bought by an international GP rider. She was the highest scoring horse in North America when she was inspected by the KWPN.

The mare produced three ET foals the next year, and went into training with the same GP rider in wellington.

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It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the future.

Picture of my boy because I love him.

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There’s a three year old mare in my barn, by a well-regarded jumper sire and out of a mare who was supposed to be a dressage horse, but was intractable. So hey, let’s breed her!

Guess whose temperament this young mare inherited?

She kicks other horses (only a well-placed rail stopped her from inflicting damage on my horse), kicks at her owner when he tries to lunge her, tries to bite everyone who walks by her stall, and kills chickens and then eats them.

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I have always been stumped as to why mares’ qualities, good or bad, seem to be considered relatively unimportant in breeding.

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“A sire can only produce as well as his dam” is what I heard many times.

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For far too long, we had an uneducated breeder population in North America that did not understand the importance of the damline. Many, many breeders started with a mare they loved but who for one reason or another may not have been the best candidate for breeding. Other breeders had the philosophy that they could breed any old mare - oh, she is unsound or unridable, so let’s breed her (but don’t worry, the stallion will fix everything). Couple that with the fact that buyers hardly ever asked about a prospect’s dam - and really, sometimes didn’t even care who the sire was. As long as the horse checked the necessary boxes - it was a 16.3h dark bay gelding, it passed a riding test, it passed a PPE, and it was in the right price range - so the deal was made. (This was especially true in the hunter world for a very long time where the general philosophy - as pushed by trainers - was that hunters were made, not born.)

Also, many breeders in NA started with TB mares because they were readily available and usually very, very inexpensive. Some of those crosses worked out pretty well - esp. for hunters and eventers - but the vast majority of them were so-so. It took the Euro registries expanding into NA to really get the breeders here turned around and start understanding the importance of quality mares and strong damlines.

As for figuring out which mares are worthy of breeding without putting them in a performance career - many good breeders send their young mares through performance tests. Some of the breeders I know in Europe will breed a mare early in her 3 y/o year and start her lightly under saddle some months later, do their registry’s mare performance test, then put the mare back in the field. If she is a really nice quality mare with a deep damline, she did well in her MPT, and her first foal is a stunner, the course is set for her to become a career broodmare.

And I echo Arlomine’s comment about ET. I meant to post something about that earlier, so I am glad Arlo brought it up. The advent of ET has been a game changer, as quality mares can both compete and still contribute to the gene pool.

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They absolutely are not, by reputable breeders.

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He’s lovely.

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I am adamant on my mare lines. All my mares were purchased after I saw offspring of theirs. I think the mare line is incredibly important, and while some disagree with my breeding choice on here my mares are the upmost importance in my breeding decisions.

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Thank you…he by Secret, out of Kiriska (Jazz). He is also the most sweetest boy ever.

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EEWWWWW! She sounds like a dreamboat. (Sarcasm) Perhaps the next prospect for NP. (Linking threads…)

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An alter. That is so funny. Look at my years here. Ask the mods. If that is in your head, are you an alter?

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Well please let’s all chat on facebook. I’m completely fine with that.

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Facebook again. I really would like to know the name’s behind th.e comments

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Yes. Really bad idea. Bully mentality. Facebook again.

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Facebook.

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Facebook is a big place… shall we all meet you some place specific?

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What is all this? Is something missing?

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What? I’m lost here.

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I believe it began with this, people hanging around COTH but claiming it’s worthless and no one of any value is still here.

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QFP. :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:

OMG, seriously??? It is way too early for drinking, but bring on the popcorn!

Well bless your little heart @anon6796898!!!

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