Dutch Warmbloods

[AnonymousMarie]

I don’t know much about them other than they are lovely athletic horses who compete at the top levels of the sport. I’ve read the Wikipedia page and browsed the website (which I found a bit overwhelming) but I still have questions.

I’ve been given a 1/2 dutch mare and I’m not even sure she is registered although I know who her sire is and with a little digging I think I can find out who her dam is. I think she is registered, but I don’t know her registered name. If she is registered and bred can a 1/4 Dutch horse be registered/recognized? Sorry for my ignorance, I’m not a Dutch breeder. TIA.

[stoicfish]

You are thinking of Dutch as a breed, but they are a registry or a group that registers approved WB’s. It can be argued that Wb’s as a whole are a “breed” (much loser definition that say an arab) but most registries have genetic influence from other registries and many accept stallions from other registries. The limiting factor is if the animal is “approved” or seen as a animal that will add to the quality of the group. Stallions are the most evaluated since they have greater influence and mares are usually approved locally.
So to answer your question, you need to look at the pedigree of your mare and take that to a registry. They can help you. They may or may not accept her based on her pedigree. If she is already registered Dutch than you just say she is Dutch. She may be approved with other registries for breeding. All Wb’s need to be approved for breeding(that I know of), unlike a QH. They usually are inspected by someone familiar with the goals of the registry.
Registries were traditionally regional groups of breeders in Europe. Now you have some newer groups, which some try and follow the lead of one of the traditional groups (like Hanoverians and the American Hanoverian Society) or some are new groups, like the Warmblood Studbook of Ireland or the Canadian Warmblood. But even the new groups tend to use the same horses that are used by the rest of the groups, they just have a local organization that complies with the national laws and regulations.

Ex. Shutterfly - http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=SHUTTERFLY&x=28&y=9

Oldenburg, Holsteiner, Tb, Hanoverian are all in the pedigree. This horse probably could have been registered with another registry as well. Many horses are blends of the different registries.

[cloudyandcallie]

Stoicfish is right. DWB is a registry as are most european registries. My Hessen (now the registry is merged with Hannoverians) has a DWB paternal grandfather (Samber) and a French Anglo TB maternal great-grandsire, who moved to Oldenburg and got graded into that stud (Inschallah). Plus all that exported American TB blood.

So your horse is probably going to have TB and Arab blood, and have lots of relatives in other registries than DWB.

If your horse has papers, she may already be registered as DWB or something else. And if she is 1/2 TB and the mare was approved by a registry, she can be registered there.
Got a “life #” with her papers?

[AnonymousMarie]

[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;5721636]
Stoicfish is right. DWB is a registry as are most european registries. My Hessen (now the registry is merged with Hannoverians) has a DWB paternal grandfather (Samber) and a French Anglo TB maternal great-grandsire, who moved to Oldenburg and got graded into that stud (Inschallah). Plus all that exported American TB blood.

So your horse is probably going to have TB and Arab blood, and have lots of relatives in other registries than DWB.

If your horse has papers, she may already be registered as DWB or something else. And if she is 1/2 TB and the mare was approved by a registry, she can be registered there.
Got a “life #” with her papers?[/QUOTE]

She’s half TB. No Arab as far as I can see. Her sire has Oldenburg, Holsteiner, and some distant Selle Francais. I know he was approved, papered, etc.

I don’t have her papers right now as she was a ‘gift’.

Assuming she is approved for breeding, can the foal be presented for inspections? Did I even word that right?

[cloudyandcallie]

OK is the stud in the DWB registry only? Is he in any US registries? (oops in the USA they are “breeds” not registries.)

The dam must have been approved for your mare to be registered but…you can have your mare presented to the american registries for approval. Then you can register her foals. (caveat: I know nothing about american WB breeds! even though my Hessen has “married” a domestic and registered Trakehner.)

I was thinking maybe her dam had been approved by some registry (or breed as they say here in USA) and then your mare would already be registered. (And you will find some arab blood, as well as TB blood, if you check back far enough in her paternal line.)

[JWB]

Regardless of where you want to present her for breeding approval, you’ll need to be able to get her registration papers or other parentage verification.

[luvmydutch]

With the KWPN if the stallion is a licensed stallion, your horse’s dam may not have been inspected, and your mare in that case would be registered but with Register “B” papers. This is their equivalent to a “Certificate of Pedigree” and means your mare would be ineligible for inspections and keuring, but would still be a registered dutch warmblood.
If you were to breed your mare back to a licensed KWPN stallion…the resulting foal would be Register “A” and fully eligible for Keurings etc.

This is only if the sire of your mare was licensed by the KWPN and not just registered with them.

[Oakstable]

If she was a “gift” and without papers, I would guess the breeder culled her.

[AnonymousMarie]

[QUOTE=Oakstable;5722235]
If she was a “gift” and without papers, I would guess the breeder culled her.[/QUOTE]

Oh no, that’s not the situation at all. She has a great/rare pedigree, solid performance record, fantastic movement, powerful jump, etc. I am owed a nice foal and she was given (more like a loan, but not really just a broodmare lease, it’s really complicated) to me in order to get that foal. As a matter of fact, I had the choice of some very nice mares and I picked her. I haven’t even asked about papers yet because this was all so sudden, but I’m pretty sure she’s registered and I don’t doubt I can get her info.

The stallion was picked out before the mare came along, but he is not approved Dutch. The foal will be papered and inspected for HIS breed. I’m just trying to figure out if it can also be registered Dutch as well in order to add value and just to be able to say the it is duel registered. There are buyers out there who like that. Having the foal registered KWPN is not my main priority, but would be a nice added bonus. It would also give me a chance to see how another breed/registry world works.

[JWB]

If the stallion is already registered somewhere else, sounds like it would be difficult and very expensive to possibly only get register B papers when there is already another registry that they are eligible for.

[Nod_Hill_Farm]

To the best of my knowledge, what you are calling “dual-registration” is NOT allowed.

A horse MAY be APPROVED by multiple registries for breeding purposes once they are of age. But foals are registered with a single book, for life.