Educate me on crossing full Saddlebred with Oldenburg breeding

[Lifting_Chickk]

[QUOTE=RiverOaksFarm;6695655]
If you ever do it, I want to see the foal!

I bred two Friesian Sporthorse foals by Sempatico. One was sold in-utero, the other was sold as a weanling. One of them recently went to a USEA FEH (Future Event Horse) competition as a 2YO and had the highest score of all horses presented. You can see both of them on this page if you’re interested FSA foals by Sempatico

Hidden Promise Sporthorses (the farm that had Nico) also has two pinto stallions (a Nico son and grandson) who look interesting. “Adonai” and “King of Kings”. (Hidden Promise Sporthorses, stallions) They also have top notch pedigrees, so there would be no problems registering their offspring.

-Gigha[/QUOTE]

For certain! I think they would produce a lovely foal and I’d be hard pressed not to share. Your young Sempatico crosses are stunning!

Nico was one of my favorites. I was so sad when he died. The two junior stallions are handsome! I would probably go for Sempatico rather than cross with more Friesian blood as it’s not so much the spots I’d be going for, but a bit more jumping ability. That aside, the spotted high-percentage Friesian boys are beautiful!

[Donatella]

ASB your inbox is full
but thank you!

[silvia]

[QUOTE=jdeboer01;6689116]
Your statement isn’t making any sense. There’s no draft blood in TB’s either. And there’s really no draft blood in any modern WB’s. If one is trying to bring better riding qualities to a breed that has been traditionally bred for driving (Friesians), then it simply makes sense to cross with proven riding horses of the desired discipline.[/QUOTE]

I can’t speak about Warmblood breeding as I know very little about them.

I can only say that in my experience, 200-odd years of breeding Saddlebreds to be a quality, proven riding horse has produced very desirable traits, and those traits have been concentrated and formed part of the breed’s type. Those traits include great intelligence, mental and physical agility and excellent constitution and soundness.

Unlike the Thoroughbred that has had speed as its core focus, the Saddlebred has had riding and driving qualities as its core focus. To me it makes more sense to go for the breed that is bred to be a riding horse over 200 years.

I realise that very few in the Warmblood industry know much about Saddlebreds and that’s probably a large reason why they aren’t picked up; the truth is that there are plenty of suitable families in the breed that suits performance breeding - it’s just that there is far more money in the more traditional saddle seat disciplines, and the very best examples usually go for ten or fifty times what they would get in the sporthorse industry.

Harry Callahan was one of the very few Saddlebreds that had the opportunity to go through the levels and he made it all the way to GP, yet he was bred for saddle seat - his sire was one of THE most popular sires for traditional disciplines. Indifferently bred for dressage but the qualities that the breed has helped ensure he made it and handled it all the way to Grand Prix. The breeding that ensures a horse can handle the pressure of the show ring and the heavy schedule, is the same that keeps them working mindfully in the arena.

The same argument can be made for Thoroughbreds, and there have been some stellar examples out in GP as well, and I would not want to minimise in any way how well this breed can perform.

However my observation to you is, consider the number of both breeds that actually start in the discipline and the percentage that when given the opportunity, make it to the end.

Consider how the modern performance horse is becoming lighter, more agile, and bends more in the joints.

Just thoughts and observations I don’t want to say any one breed is great for everything, but as someone who has been involved with the breed for over 15 years now, can definitely say there is an awful lot of goodies under their bonnet that are worth a look

[SmartAlex]

[QUOTE=silvia;6701513]
Harry Callahan was one of the very few Saddlebreds that had the opportunity to go through the levels and he made it all the way to GP, yet he was bred for saddle seat - his sire was one of THE most popular sires for traditional disciplines.[/QUOTE]

AND, his dam also produced very successful show horses including one who earned his Championship distinction in Five Gaited which is further proof that Harry was bred to the modern saddle seat paradigm. He would likely have been just as successful had that road been chosen for him.

[M_al]

Resurrecting an ancient thread to ask for updates on any of the young horses mentioned in here. Also, any current updates on Saddlebred sport horses?

[cb06]

As far as Saddlebred sport horses in general, there is some small but encouraging movement within the Association to start recognizing and supporting the sporthorses
The Association just put out two new videos,
one general
https://youtu.be/466oetXS_7g

and one specifically supporting Saddlebreds in dressage
https://youtu.be/vYl5G0A4jFY

I’ve heard an eventing video is also in the works.

Some breeders and trainers also seem to be making more of an effort to present there young prospects in a way more familiar to a broader audience of sporthorse buyers…though there is still a ways to go.

There are currently several nice (and very affordable) sporthorse prospects posted on some of the facebook pages…including a VERY nice, big, substantial bone, well-balanced yearling.

[Dance_To_Oblivion]

The horse I mentioned on the first page I brought along to be a winning Training Level event horse. He would have easily been a Prelim/1* horse but my life circumstances prevented that and I had to sell him. Here is a video and link to pictures from our last horse trial together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFCF…ature=youtu.be

https://www.facebook.com/kathryn.kri…5916740&type=3

He is a Han/ASB cross and is the horse in my avatar pic

[ASBJumper]

@Donatella

Do you have photos?

I had PM’ed Donatella originally, but since someone is asking, this is a mature pic of the last Oldenburg/Saddlebred cross I bred:
http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr321/ASBJumper/Dora-2017_zpsi4so3gm9.jpg

She is a fabulous amateur Dressage horse - right now schooling 1st. She is owned by an intermediate-level re-rider mother of 4 who absolutely adores her, but has no showing aspirations, so the mare hasn’t done much.

I spent 3 seasons (2015, 2016 and 2017) trying to get the Saddlebred dam back in foal, first to Diamond Stud, then to Delta Force. No dice. I threw everything at her, but it was not meant to be. I only got that one filly out of her.

I bought another young Saddlebred filly last year and plan to start all over with her in a few years. The plan is still to make fabulous Warmblood/Saddlebred crosses with her - after she’s had a bit of an under saddle career, though. I won’t breed anything that can’t stay sound/sane in work. :winkgrin:

She’s a lovely, typey, leggy filly. A more refined type than my last one, but her movement is more elastic as well, so I figured it was worth sacrificing the substance.
http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr321/ASBJumper/Arya%20screenshot_zps32wggzhb.png

[Hawkridge]

@ASBJumper she’s hideous. I can hide her for you so you’ll never have to be embarrased to own her :uhoh:

[Foxtrot_s]

Bill Steinkrause said that the Saddlebred/TB jumper was the best jumper – but that was before warmbloods took over.

The National Show Horse is a Saddlebred/Arab, (of certain bloodlnes) but produces a nice looking, useful horse.

[lesson_junkie]

I fox hunt with two Saddlebred crosses-one Arab/SB, the other Clyde/SB. The Arab cross is a whip horse-jumps the best, is brave and sound, very fast and absolutely no endurance limit. The Clyde cross is stunning looking, jumps great, kind and willing, but enormous-the biggest 17.2 horse I’ve ever seen. He’s 17.2 at the withers, then you have the swan neck from hell above that-he’s just gorgeous, but he doesn’t fit in every trailer on the road!

Both horses are great at their jobs.

[Foxtrot_s]

I often think that if American breeders had got on the bandwaggon earlier, using American stock, they could have made an athleltic international horse to equal the modern warmblood. In the beginning, before concentrated and refinend breeding, the European WB was not far from a heavy horse cross with more refined TB/Arab, etc. They had a dead mind, labelled “dumblood” by many, back in the day, with not enough attention paid to intereior qualities. Many were camped out behind from their pulling heritage…but that was my memories of the earlier WB’s. Not my type of horse at all, and bearing no similatities to the beautiful, successful athletes of today.

[ASBJumper]

Also, just gonna put this out there, too. Scroll down on this page to see a STUNNING example of a Holsteiner/Saddlebred cross gelding (Armani):
http://camestables.ca/chevaux-horses/a-vendre-for-sale/

[FatCatFarm]

I have Saddlebred x Percheron (2 full brothers) and a Saddlebred x Clyde/Hackney/Tb (half brother), and love mine. Not quite what you’re after, but just wanted to chime in that I do think the American Saddlebred is incredibly undervalued as a refining sporthorse type. They have wonderful dispositions and having had my share of warmbloods and Thoroughbreds, and as an older amateur, I wanted kind, willing and sporty. They didn’t have to be gran prix material as I’m not going to the Olympics. But I do think my guys are gorgeous and they are fun. They’re really only limited by me. Links below. Were I still interested in breeding, I wouldn’t hesitate to cross a sporty Saddlebred with a warmblood, probably Dutch. I think you would get a definite improvement on temperament and willingness without losing anything athletically.