Eight Belles

I will be honest here. I simply can’t watch eventing, because there have been injuries. This is a personal choice - I am at the point where I worry when I watch the Grand Prix jumping.

But then, I was the kid who watched western movies for the horses, and never worried about the actors going down, just the horses.

Does this mean there should be no eventing? Grand Prix jumping? No.

But I do sincerely hope that everything than can be done for safety, is done - as has been said, the horses don’t choose, we do. I am not an expert in eventing, or jumping, or racing, or any other sport, so I won’t presume to tell anyone what should be done.

However - it is a vast responsibility, and this is true for those who slowly injure by poor chronic care, as well.

Still, my heart goes out to the owners, andtrainer, and all who worked with this filly.

bauhaus, thank you for that post.

I’m just so thankful that she was allowed to cross the bridge so quickly.

Before the race started I said I want to see all these horse race another day. Everyone got by the wire and I thought thank you every one is still standing, and than it happened. I really think like others have said she looked nqr the last part of the race. At one point before the wire she tripped a little. But only a little. I think her ankels had fracture at that point and when she went to fall is when they broke… Its to bad because I really thought she was going to pull off an upset. I thank god that my horses are strong and healthy and never have anything like that ever happen to them… Jingles for the owners/trainers/grooms/riders that were involved with her daily activities!!!

Did anyone notice her change her stride when she started down the stretch? You can very clearly see a change when you watch the length of her stride, it goes from long and smooth to short and choppy, which makes me and my fellow equine friends think that maybe she had hurt herself starting down the stretch. Just a thought!
RIP

They interviewed Larry Jones on the local news after the race; he had been crying and broke down again when he said the owners wanted the filly cremated after her autopsy. So very sad for all of them.

I think the problem lies in breeding for precociousness and not durablity.

Caitlin

Does the fact that this was run on a dirt track rather than a new synthetic track have any significance?

Would this have occured on a synthetic track? Would Barbaro’s injury have occured on a synthetic track? (or any other injury at Churchhill Downs)?

Perhaps it isn’t something that anyone knows but I’d like to hear from people who are knowledgeable in horse racing.

Can these injuries be limited in severity?

[QUOTE=Oakstable;3186981]
How horribly sad.

How long does it take for the equine ambulance to get to a horse that goes down? Do they do digital radiographs immediately to assess the damage?

RIP brave filly.[/QUOTE]

It couldn’t have been more than a minute or two. They were to her exceedingly quickly, for which I am grateful.

The pictures of her from before the race are lovely, and it seems clear to me that if her connections had known that she would be second (a great triumph) but that the price would be her death, they would’ve taken her home instead. :frowning:

Coyo–I don’t know if you watched any of the races yesterday, but it was wet wet wet. And while I’m not a pro when it comes to racing, I did hear during the various telecasts that there was concern that the surface was packed down harder than normal today due to the wet conditions yesterday.

And yes…weather aside, the synthetic tracks seem to cause less percussive strain/injury. You can learn more about that with a simple google search. If my computer weren’t being so slow today I’d go hunt down some of the articles for you…sorry!

[QUOTE=Kenike;3187051]
Thanks to a fellow board member who posted this on another board. Beware, the picture is graphic:
http://www.comcast.net/sports/articles/general/2008/05/03/RAC.Kentucky.Derby.Eight.Belles/[/QUOTE]

I guess I’m just a little confused about the entire incident. It looked in that picture that there were a lot of people around her, but in the video clip someone showed earlier, she was galloping by herself and fell. Was this picture taken as she tried to get back up? Wow that filly had heart to try to get up after the immense pain she was obviously in. RIP sweet one.

is that interview with Mr. Jones online, yet?

Yes, it was taken after she got back up, before she went back down and was shown lying on the track.

[QUOTE=Kenike;3187178]
is that interview with Mr. Jones online, yet?[/QUOTE]

Not that I can find, but the sation is: www.wave3.com

There are pictures on the front page of CNN…

Caitlin

RIP and Godspeed Eight Belles! You were all class!

[QUOTE=BuddyRoo;3187169]
Coyo–I don’t know if you watched any of the races yesterday, but it was wet wet wet. And while I’m not a pro when it comes to racing, I did hear during the various telecasts that there was concern that the surface was packed down harder than normal today due to the wet conditions yesterday.

And yes…weather aside, the synthetic tracks seem to cause less percussive strain/injury. You can learn more about that with a simple google search. If my computer weren’t being so slow today I’d go hunt down some of the articles for you…sorry![/QUOTE]

Thanks Buddyroo. I can look up articles. I guess I didn’t think to do that. I know I’ve heard articles which say they are safer, but those were not necessarily authoritative articles.

In general: Then, of course, that leads to the obvious question about why all tracks don’t change to the safer surface. I know there are challenges in dirt and tradition and all that, but is there a real reason to not put the safer surface.

I returned from dinner after having Tivo’d the race (I swore I would never watch another live race after Barbaro). I paused the race and called my mom just as Big Brown crossed. She told me about the Filly. I’m awfully glad I didn’t see it - and I will never watch another race again.

So terribly sad.

Oh. My. God. How damn heartbreaking.

I missed the derby, but TiVod it and was really looking forward to watching the several hours of earlier races leading up to the derby and then the big race. I logged on here, and saw this thread–just read the first couple posts before pulling up the race, fast forwarding to call to post and keeping my eyes on the filly for the whole race, with tears in my eyes. When she crossed the finish line, I let out a deep sigh of relief and started scrolling down…only to see the girl on the ground. Holy shit.

So, so sad.

Thanks, Redmare. Incredible pictures, indeed :cry:

I’m really surprised Mr. Jones has spoken so soon. This has to be so very awful for him…

Every race I watch I hope everyone returns to their barn safe…It appears that the safest surface to run is grass, like they do in England. Do not get me wrong there are breakdowns every where but it seems more likely on the dirt.
Since the race was over I thought we were safe!
I had just returned home from Rolex which was upsetting to begun with and then Chelokee breaking down yesterday…
I do not have the answers and yes it is a part of the sport but it just really stinks…

I have read several articles over the last many years about breeding responsibly and that means not just speed but bone and soundness also…

RIP Eight Belles…may you run free over the rainbow bridge
Hugs to all involved they must be devestated…

[QUOTE=Coyoteco;3187207]

In general: Then, of course, that leads to the obvious question about why all tracks don’t change to the safer surface. I know there are challenges in dirt and tradition and all that, but is there a real reason to not put the safer surface.[/QUOTE]

I thought this was a good editorial on the problems that changing to the new surface creates (as one could guess, all of the are $$ related… from difficulty handicapping to changing breeding goals):

http://www.slate.com/id/2164047/

[QUOTE=shawneeAcres;3187069]
First I’d like to say this about “what happened”. I think, very likely there are two possible scenarios which led to breakdown of this fabulous filly. The first is tiring. The filly ran a hard race, and obviosuly in the stretch she was tiring. When any animal tires, the support from the muscles, ligaments and tendons begins to give way, the animal can then take a misstep, which can lead to injury. How many times do you see a human runner tire and sprain or even break an ankle becuase their legs were jsut giving out from the exhaustion. I feel that is the most likely reason for this fillies breakdown., Second is that possiby she had a very smal hairline fracture that during the race weakened and then gave way at the end of the race. Noone will ever know for sure, but these are the two most likely causes of her broken ankles.

Secondly, all of you that want to stop watching that is fine. I too did not like what happened, it saddened and sickened us to see that filly lying there, yet she was swiftly attended to, diagnosed and euthanized. One thing racing has over ALL other equine sports is absolutely the best and fastest veterinary care available. It was IMMEDIATE that they attended to her. As someone else said a far better fate than what many ex-racers face! I do not understand the mentality that becuase a horse breaks down in racing,e venting or any other horse sport that we should cease that sport. If that DOES occur then there is not going to be a logical reason for horses to remain in our country, they aren’t used for work, except in very limited places, and they aren’t used for meat. They really are not companion animals like dogs or cats, so then what reason to feed, house and care for such a very large and expensive creature??? they exist SOLELY for sport, period. Our responsibility is to do our BEST to properly prepare and condition them, ride them, train them and compete them as fairly as we can. Accidents ARE going to happen, and the best we can do is swiftly attend to that animal and make the humane decision to euthanize when needed. And then to ELARN from the incident and try and improve things, but NOT to bash the sport altogether for one incident. It happens, and guess what, so do car wrecks and airline catastrophes. The hrose doesn’t have a say in what he is used for, but if he wasn’t usd for sport, he wouldn’t exist in our culture during this day and age.[/QUOTE]

Very well said

Ain’t that the truth!

What a filly! My thoughts are with her connections tonight and in the days that follow as they deal with her empty stall and their aching hearts.