Electrolytes and molasses water; help me figure out how to uber hydrate my large problem child

Scenario: New very large horse (just under 18 hands) is a worry wart and terrible hauler. He hardly eats on the trailer and won’t drink a drop of water. This continues for the first 24-36 hours once reaching a show grounds. Once he settles in, he’s fine. Drinks moderately well, consumes ALLLL the food and cookies, drinks a ton after a work out.

A few weeks ago we were at a show in Tulsa. You can imagine what Tulsa is like in mid-August. He did fine while showing, and mind you this horse sweats like a beast. No issues with sweating. He traveled 16 hours home over night so as to avoid the heat. But he got off the trailer with a 104.3 fever (related, or unrelated, no one knows) and terribly dehydrated. The vet was already at the barn for something else, luckily. $1100 in fluids and blood tests later, he was fine. About half way through his fluids he was bright eyed and eating ALLLL the things.

Nothing conclusive came back as to why the fever; maybe he had an unknown bug of sorts. We are certainly going down the asthma/allergies route for various reasons. But the problem remains that this horse has a tendency to let himself get dehydrated.

He is a SUPER picky eater and will simply not eat his concentrate if there’s something funny in there. Not sort around it; he simply won’t eat. He needs a bit of weight and cannot afford to be off his feed at all. So I don’t foresee being able to put electrolytes on his feed. I’ll probably need to force syringe it.

What is a good concentrated electrolyte these days? During my undergrad, I remember doing calculations on how much electrolytes a horse would lose in sweat during various environmental conditions. The activity was to prove that average electrolyte supplements don’t make a dent in how much the horse actually loses. But I don’t remember how to do the calculations. Anyways, it made me aware that most supplements are ineffective at replacing what is lost during work. If I can find an appropriate electrolyte, I’ll probably mix with apple sauce or something and syringe it.

Any luck with getting a horse to drink water with molasses added? I’m wondering about making a tasty water leading up to a trip get him appropriately hydrated and while on the trailer.

Like seriously, horse. Water is free, bagged fluids are not :unamused:

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The best electrolyte is the one he finds irresistible. The point of electrolytes is also to get them to drink. Syringing the minerals into a dehydrated horse isn’t going to fix anything. He needs water first and foremost, salt and minerals second.

My mare can be a problem drinker and she loves water with a good dose of molasses and salt. And hates the flavored package electrolytes I’ve tried.

Experiment at home to see what he likes.

Also consider he may have ulcers and not want to drink.

I live about 800 miles from where he is in training, but I’m definitely going to work on this when I’m out there in a few weeks. He can be ulcery, per previous owner. He has been on Ulcergard when traveling, but I’m probably going to switch to Nexium, because $$$.

Have you tried Gallagher’s Water? It is alfalfa-flavored electrolytes you mix into water. 2 out of my 3 sucked it down immediately, one had to sniff it a few times before drinking. They have a trial pack.

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My mare adores a handful of Triple Crown Senior mixed with 2 tablespoons salt. Add HOT water to dissolve salt. Top off with warm water - anywhere from 5-8 gallons. She sucks it right down.

Also does he get enough salt in general? If he doesn’t enjoy salt, SP has a flavored salt pellet.

I also have had good success with Horse Quencher. https://horsequencher.com/

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I would work on getting more water into him first, then think about electrolytes. I had one who didn’t like to drink away from home. He got his meals soupy with a glob of molasses. Beet pulp and chopped forage products can also be soaked. If he needs electrolytes you can always syringe them but never give electrolytes to a dehydrated horse. Molasses or kool aid in the water is another old standby but be sure to give him one plain water bucket. Good luck!

So…in light of getting more water into him…what has worked for me is to add apple juice to the water. I took apple juice with me to shows and dumped a quart into the water bucket.
I also had fresh apples with me. I have fed salted apples as well successfully. Of course this would only work if he loves :apple: apples

Gallagher’s Water, Hydration Hay, Replimash, “sweet water” which is a handful of rice bran in a 5g bucket, “alfalfa tea” which is, obviously, a handful of alfalfa pellets in a 5g bucket, are some things to try

How much salt is he eating? If he doesn’t eat enough on his own, see if he’ll consent to having it added. The goal is 1tbsp per 500lb body weight, per day

Forcing e-lytes should be done with caution, as you can really unbalance things if he still doesn’t drink (well)

I will take some water from home when I’m uncertain if picky horse will readily drink the water at the new place. I also use powdered Gatorade. They get this sometimes at home, so they are used to it. I don’t put enough in for any real electrolyte supplementation—just for taste. Cheaper than some of the other horse specific options and fairly easy to find. You may have to experiment with flavor. One of my horses only likes the blue kind.

I should have more carefully worded the OP. I won’t be forcing electrolytes in to him when dehydrated. But we do go to some hot and humid places. And he’s a large beast with a lot of body mass to move, so he sweats A LOT. So hence the desire for an electrolyte. He does drink ok once he settles in to a new place. It’s just on the trailer that he doesn’t.

Unfortunately he is not on salt. I know that’s not the right answer. The training training barn is big and busy, we have to keep supplements easy and to a minimum. The horse is fairly new to me and immediately went to training. So I don’t have the luxury of trying various things on a whim. I know he will reject salt on his feed. Any little thing that is different, and he’ll just leave the whole bucket. I wasted about 6 pounds of feed finding out that he would, in fact, refuse to eat his feed wetted down. :woman_facepalming:t3: I will try things on his feed when I visit throughout the fall and if I can find a salt that he’ll eat, I’ll certainly find a way to add it to his daily ration. But I can just about guarantee that at the close to 1500 pounds that he is/should be, 3 tbsp will not go over well with him. He does love beet pulp; but the couple times I tried adding some concentrate to it, he said “no”. So salt very well make his beet pulp unacceptable too.

He doesn’t seem to have as much issue with foreign water. He will drink a ton of water immediately after getting off the trailer at a new place (because of refusal to do so on the trailer), then he’ll be a little out of sorts for a short time; still drinking, but not a ton and just sort of weird. After a day or so, he settles in and will eat and drink like he does at home. It’s just the trailer ride that disrupts his delicate being.

Can you start out with a miniscule amount and work up? That’s what I had to do with salt and flax for the ponies here.

1/8th of a tsp for a couple of days, then 1/4 and so on.

And like @Pico_Banana said, smart pak makes a flavored salt.

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He loves ALLLLL the treats and things. So this just may work. I like the idea of salted apples too.

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I can try. I’m just limited on how often I’m there. And cannot hand that task to the barn manager/feeder who, absolutely no shade here, doesn’t speak english. I’ll try some things in a few weeks when I visit and throughout our next show.

Won’t they feed supplements if they’re in a baggie? Put some regular feed in a baggie with a little salt and they could just dump in his bucket.

They will but see above about being 800 miles away. I’ve tried bagging up supplements and shipping them, and I just can’t seem to keep up with the logistics of it. If it was as simple as having a tub of salt and have them throw in a scoop each feeding, that would also be fine. But see above about the picky beast. There’s some trial and error here that I need to do myself; not pass that task off to the barn staff.

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In my experience horses don’t drink on the trailer at all. If they drink a lot on arrival that compensates.

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Eh, I’ve had some that do but I get that most don’t. If I can get him better hydrated before hand, that may help. I don’t know why he was in such bad shape returning home on this last trip. IV fluids after a long trip seems like it should be able to be mitigated some way. Perhaps he got on the trailer dehydrated, but clearly we need to avoid a repeat of that scenario.

Some people do IV fluids before a haul, rather than after. Getting ahead of the game, as it were. If he drinks after arriving, maybe this would be a good option for him.

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Honestly it’s hard to give management suggestions for a horse that’s new to.you and when you aren’t involved in his day to day care at all and the people who are involved can’t be enlisted in any program of observation or experiments. I do self care and I know exactly what my horse eats and drinks and when she’s running on less water, what her poops look like, etc. I honestly don’t know what you can do if you only see this horse on weekends at shows and don’t get to know him.

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