Epsom Derby winner impedes another runner

Jock is suspended for two days, but the result stands.

Anyone see the race and what happened?

What a coincidence that this should have happened in both “big” derbies in 2019.

5h ago13:02 Derby-winning jockey gets two-day ban
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Derby-winning jockey Seamie Heffernan has been suspended for two days for careless riding for making a manoeuvre to his left aboard Anthony Van Dyck in the Classic, causing Circus Maximus to be taken off its intended line.
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I saw the race on TV, including the replays, and didn’t see anything wrong. It was a well-run race and a clean win, and I noticed that especially in contrast to the Kentucky Derby. They interviewed the winning jockey and other jockeys afterwards and none of them said anything about any interference so I am really surprised at this news. None of the commentators mentioned anything about any impeding.

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The race on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hpeARZRrrM

Watch the jockey in the pale pink silks on the bay with the blaze.

There is a link from here to people discussing this and the Kentucky Derby:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2019/jun/01/the-derby-2019-epsom-horse-racing-live?page=with:block-5cf2af5e8f08d4e6b70dc481#block-5cf2af5e8f08d4e6b70dc481

With the race course not being a standard oval or straight line, it’s tough to see where exactly they are headed as a bunch.

Doesn’t matter. The jockeys know the course.

I feel like that comment was meant as a viewer.

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It was. I didn’t see anything that looked like a foul, but with the turns and direction changes, it was hard to tell if they were supposed to be leaning left or going straight. Plus, I never really saw any poles, and no one has said, “Oh, it happened at the quarter pole” or wherever, which would allow me to go back and find it.

Frankie Dettori didn’t say anything about interference when interviewed immediately after the race on TV. None of the subsequent press commentary mentioned it. There is a moment in the last furlong or so, when all the horses are galloping down hill and on a camber, whilst tiring, that the winner did seem to take Dettori’s ground but Circus Maximus at that point did not look like he was going to win.

The TV camera really flattens the terrain. I was shocked when I walked the course because Tattenham Corner is almost 90 degrees and the gradient changes from upwards to sharply downwards. Really tests balance and courage, for horse and rider!

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he tripped and fell left taking out the horse next to him. 2 furlongs left in the race. Happened at 2:25 in the video link provided.

If you concentrate and watch Anthony Van Dyke around the whole race, he trips/strumbles many times in his going. Kind of scary at some points. At the top of the stretch to the wire he stumbles 2 or 3 times. Some of them look like the result of clipped heels but he never appears to be close enough to the horse in front to do so.

But yes, he tripped, fell left and hit the runner to his left at the 2:25 time stamp

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^^Written by someone who has never gone at speed over turf, and doesn’t understand that European turf is much different than American turf.

That horse has a gorgeous way of going.

Anyone with questions, please watch the video for yourself because none of this ^^^ happened.

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I agree. Maybe I wasn’t concentrating hard enough but I saw nothing of the sort.

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look close at the 2:25 mark. There is a jockey slight obscuring the view when he stumbles and moves left into the horse beside him. Was it as bad as maximum security, no. but it happened. the camera angle doesn’t help a viewer see it.

@palmbach fully aware European turf is much different than American turf…its actual turf racing and it tends to be deep and wet, hilly and imperfect. European horses train much differently than American horses (something I envy about them) and in some aspects I view European racing on a much higher pedestal than American racing.

It doesn’t take away from the fact that the horse DID brush the horse next to him in the final two furlongs. would I say he impeded him> absolutely not. This was far less dramatic than the KY Derby. If you cant see him brush the horse next to him, try concentrating on the horse involved and the jockey on him. the bay horse with no markings immediately took a sharp turn left (watch his head) and his jockey

Lets start with still pictures from the video. This clear shows the change of lanes and left movement

You can see here he is clearly following the same lane of the horse in navy blue silks. he is running straight at this point
http://i66.tinypic.com/2qbuh76.jpg

Below, the field has bunch. Van Dyk has gained ground and is running in the same, straight path that he has been. He is now tracking directly behind the navy blue silks horse, perhaps slightly to his left flank. The horse affected is circled behind navy silks horse
http://i67.tinypic.com/es2gyg.jpg

Image, below, Van Dyk’s jockey is asking for more. You can see Van Dyk is now tracking to the left flank of navy silks horse. Horse affected is now running head to head with Van Dyk. Van Dyk is still tracking straight. This photo is at the moment of the stumble, miliseconds before the shift left
http://i63.tinypic.com/106d3fd.jpg

In this photo, Van Dyk is now moving into the horse next to him. You can see the slight direction to the left. Horse to his left’s head is now in very close proximity to Van Dyk. Jockey affected is now shifting left. You can visibly see him leaning left.
http://i65.tinypic.com/spafzk.jpg

Van Dyk stumbles here. You can see the direction in which his body is angled left. He has now changed lanes from the photo previous. You can clearly see the angle of his body here from the other horses in the field running about the same spot in the track (orange and blue silks). The heads of Van Dyk and the horse to his left are just about touching
http://i65.tinypic.com/xlxr1t.jpg

Van Dyk has changed lanes at this point. You can clearly see the distance of change between this photo and the 2 or 3 above, All captured within milliseconds/seconds of eachother. Bay horse to the inside is now leaning left, his jockey is still leaning left. Van Dyk’s jockey is clearly steering left
http://i65.tinypic.com/28jbb6s.jpg

Van Dyk’s jockey still clearly steering left in this frame. Noticeable lane change in this frame as well. His jocks arm is practically taking out the eyeball of the horse next to him. Van Dyk now travelling in the lane that the lead horse is in (blue and white striped hat)
http://i67.tinypic.com/2vkgcxi.jpg

Lane change ever more prevalent here, Van Dyk now tracking in the lane to the left flank of bluestripe hat horse. He has plowed the horse next to him over this distance as well. Bay horse is now squeezed between Van Dyk and the blazed chestnut
http://i65.tinypic.com/4py0wk.jpg

Van Dyk has stopped lane changes at this point, He has moved 3-4 lanes than his original course behind the navy blue silks. Bay horse to his left is still running eye to eye at this point despite being pushed 3 lanes left. Van Dyk is now clear of the blue/white striped hat and running clear to his left in a new lane
http://i64.tinypic.com/5vvxxi.jpg

Nobody disputes that Anthony Van Dyke went somewhat sideways into Circus Maximus when he needed a hole to open up mid-stretch. That’s why Seamus Heffernan was given 2 days for careless riding.

But no matter how many times you insist that AVD was stumbling/tripping/falling down throughout the race…really, he wasn’t. That’s what a horse looks like when it gallops at top speed over an undulating grass course. It’s not dirt, and it’s not level. Racing is different outside the U.S…

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Nobody disputes that Anthony Van Dyke went somewhat sideways into Circus Maximus when he needed a hole to open up mid-stretch. That’s why Seamus Heffernan was given days for careless riding.

But no matter how many times you insist that AVD was stumbling/tripping/falling down during the race…really, he wasn’t. That’s what a horse looks like when it gallops at top speed over an undulating turf course. It’s not dirt, and it’s not level. Racing is different outside the U.S…

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@snaffle1987 has never ridden a race horse and has no idea what a horse looks or feels like at speed going over turf, which in Europe is much different than in the US; it’s usually softer, undulates and is not as consistent at US turf. And turf itself usually has a much different feel than dirt or synthetic.

do you know that for sure PalmBeach>? Don’t be so sure. You dish a lot of questionable information yourself so don’t think you, yourself are exempt from scrutiny. As I noted above, READ MY POST!, European turf is considerably different. Its hilly and uneven. It is soft and deeper, often wet due to climate. It is much less groomed than US “turf”. In many aspects I envy the European racing vs US racing.

The actions of Van Dyk in the stretch are similar to War of Will’s in the derby. He had no hole to go through so he made his own. He didn’t impede the horse next to him, so to say, but he clearly affected him. This is why Van Dyk’s jockey was set down. I would love to see a head on video of this race because I think it would show a much more dramatic replay of events .

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Yes, I’m absolutely positive @snaffle1987 has never ever worked as an exercise rider or jockey. The horse was not stumbling or tripping.