Equestrian small businesses/minority-owned businesses?

Okay, folks, we all love our Schneider’s, Dover, SmartPak, Kastel, Tailored Sportsman, Tredstep, Ariat, Noble Outfitters, etc. products, but it feels like every equestrian business out there is owned by upper middle class (or rich), straight, cisgender, conservative, white people.

Anyone got recommendations for smaller businesses owned by people of color, LGBT people, people who haven’t been riding expensive horses in expensive shows for years? Or- almost as good- know if any of the above popular businesses are owned by the same?

No offense meant to anyone. It’s just that as an LGBT woman who often feels that I’m not part of the “right crowd” in horsey spaces, I’d like to support some people who probably feel the same and need it more than those big corporations.

2 Likes

Who are the owners of those companies?

I usually look for the products I like at a good price.

9 Likes

<sigh> The OP chooses where and how to use his or her purchasing dollars. Those reasons may be different from yours.The OP is not asking you to weigh in on the validity of his/her reasons. The request is simple: recommendations for equestrian businesses owned by PoC, LGBT, or private small biz owner (vs large corporation).

23 Likes

the reason for “minority” status ownership was for governmental contracts which really had nothing to do with the general public… but there is nothing to stop a person from setting up such a business

2 Likes

For small businesses-- I love KJ Creations! She does these cool stick on vinyl monograms/ decals, as well as sell a lot of less common high end tack and unique horse products. https://www.facebook.com/KJequestriancreations/ Plus [ATTACH=JSON]{“data-align”:“none”,“data-size”:“large”,“data-attachmentid”:10057841}[/ATTACH]
https://www.facebook.com/theantiqueequine/ makes gorgeous “vintage” browbands to support her mustangs!

13906859_10209285166753872_5334877146106170029_n.jpg

2 Likes

Does the gender, orientation, philosophy, religion, nationality, skin tone, accent, etc. of a producer or seller of breeches really make a difference? If they fit and are of good quality isn’t that what you contract for? Can we say “ditto” for about every other item we use on horses? Should we buy inferior products if they sold by people with whom we have philosophical agreements even if they are not the best and most suitable to the horse’s needs? Somehow I don’t think that’s a very good program for the horse and maybe not for the human.

To quote the low lives at J.G. Wentworth, “it’s your money, spend it the way YOU want to.”

G.

17 Likes

Big brands don’t necessarily get big because they have the best product or the best price. They get big because they have the funds and the networks/opportunities/connections etc. Presumably they have a good product, but maybe not the best. And because people think tall, white, traditionally masculine men are competent and deserving of power (and funds and opportunities…).

Small, minority-owned businesses are not necessarily selling inferior products. And regardless, I use plenty of inferior products on my horses every day. The loose stitching on my almost-new [Dover] saddle pad doesn’t bother my horse one bit.

Kanteq body protectors were created by a (white? cis?) woman (because she KAN).

12 Likes

Seems like a kind of discrimination against straight white people?

I get supporting small business, but if I came on here asking for ways to avoid shops owned by minority groups…well…

23 Likes

you left out “cisgender”… (I had to look that one up, being an illiterate white upper middle class/rich dude, I had no idea there was even such a thing)

I like shopping local and shopping bigger stores like SmartPak. I don’t care who the owners are unless they are complete jerks and can’t run a good business. I honestly couldn’t tell you if the shop owners I’ve bought from out here are LGBT or not as I’m not close enough with them to get that personal. I look at price, service, product quality, etc. I’m sorry you don’t feel like you are part of the right crowd because there are a lot of non-hetero riders in the horse community… at least in the English disciplines. I can’t speak for any others. Hopefully you can find what you are looking for. For more customized products maybe check Etsy?

6 Likes

I can’t imagine being able to identify LGBT business owners unless you have some personal connection. It’s just not a marketing feature in the horse world, so it’s not something that people will waste advertising dollars or web page space on. And I’ll echo rockonxox’s sentiment that I’m sorry you don’t feel like you are part of the right crowd.

I think the easiest way to identify small businesses is to do a google search for whatever item you’re looking for, then click on the links that aren’t one of the big companies you recognize. For example, when I was looking for some kind of round bale feeder, I googled it and ended up buying a net from Hay Chix, which is owned and run by women (that wasn’t why I chose it, but could be a factor in your decision if that’s important to you).

I agree that Etsy is a good place to find equine-related products made by individuals and small businesses.

2 Likes

Manhattan Saddlery is a minority-owned small business, and the last tack shop in New York City. As the buyer, I make an effort to stock items from small businesses, women-led businesses, and businesses manufacturing in the States. :slight_smile:

22 Likes

This was an impressive multi-layer strawman argument…

36 Likes

I honestly don’t know what the orientation (or often the racial background - lots of mixed ethnicity here) of local horse people is unless I actually meet their spouse, and honestly don’t find it has any bearing on whether or not I ride with, or do business with them - that’s their personal business IMHO, not mine and the horse doesn’t seem to care. I do however try to spend my money first at the one local business that provides a lot of support to the local equine community - our Greenhawk franchise (not a corporate store) provides prizes for club fundraisers and sponsers shows, hosts clinics etc in the local community.

10 Likes

“people who haven’t been riding expensive horses in expensive shows for years”

I would say this likely includes 95% of independent tack shop owners.

7 Likes

I have found local facebook groups to be a great source for smaller, local retailers. Increasingly the “storefront” for small retailers is online.

I too like to support local business and realize the additional challenges people that are not wealthy, cis, and/or white face. Money speaks, and I want mine to say “I see you and I want you to succeed”.

8 Likes

No, it was a statement of economic reality. But as you will.

G.

14 Likes

For years I have been going to a local tack sale held by a consignment store. Last year an old friend, an out lesbian, came to my barn with a new horse and we headed out to the sale to help her stock up her tack room.

Her impression: wow this would be a great place to cruise, it’s wall to wall dykes with horses. She even ended up meeting an old room mate from back in the urban scene 30 years ago.

I have some gaydar but it tends to be blunted around horse women, where everybody above 35 has become bluff, stopped wearing makeup to the barn, and feels they have to at least pretend to be comfortable with power tools.

Anyhow, it raises the question of how you know that there aren’t gay people in the production and management of the big equestrian corporations?

The question of patronizing small manufacturers is also complicated because while some things (like bedazzled brow bands and fluffy stock ties) work fine as cottage industries, at the other extreme making saddles and riding boots are highly skilled trades that take serious apprenticeship. So there is less choice of vendor.

And things in the middle that are factory produced like breeches, brushes, jackets, saddles pads etc. require a big investment in machinery so it isn’t that easy to find a true independent or small scale manufacturer.

If you are riding Western you can get a handmade saddle from an individual craftsman, and if you are in the right part if the country perhaps that craftsman might be Mexican American. Certainly they might be a source for Iberian or Vaquero gear.

In Canada, the online marketplace is flooded with cheap no name unverified riding helmets made in China and imported, when I checked last year, via India. This is no doubt a small business run by visible minorities, but not something we’d recommend!

Then there is the question of the tack store. Absolutely you can patronize the local independent store whose owners you most appreciate rathet than a chain or online. And you can even buy mostly second hand and call it environmentally friendly :slight_smile:

Within this rather constrained market it could be interesting to see what you could find out about the employment and affirmation policies of the bigger companies and whether there is anyone you really want to avoid.

Of course there is also the realm of service providers such as coaches, vets, body workers, farriers, etc where you can easily select the folks you want to work with.

7 Likes

My work takes me into the finances of many businesses in my area (Mid Atlantic). You would not believe how many women owned businesses (51% ownership or more) have the woman owner absentee. No duties, no decisions, just a name, gender and paycheck so they can flaunt the “Minority Owned” label and if they are govt contractors, get the more favorable Minority Owned status. How is that for good hard working honest women? Shame on them.

And the nonprofits - the executive directors, who often have spouses or other family members in high level positions, routinely make six figures. The people who are actually doing the nonprofit work or providing the services to a disadvantaged population frequently make $10 an hour.

So if you want to support a business because of it’s label, fine, but I take a closer look into what is really going on, if I am making some kind of a financial commitment. And I won’t commit to an inferior product or service, no matter who the peddler is.

I’m a double minority and I don’t expect any freebies or business activity for anything other than the quality of my work.

10 Likes

Did she ask that? I think OP’s just looking for places to support. It is, after all, OP’s money. She has a right to make a choice.

16 Likes