Eventing breeding

[Drvmb1ggl3]

  	 		Where  did you find the breeding of the horses? 

Various different sources. Here is the list with names.

1 - Marius (Holst) ------ Condrieu (TB) - Eche (Holst) x Laurin (Holst)
2 - Butts Abraxxas (Hann) ------ Heraldik (TB) - Kira (Hann) x Kronenkranich (TB)
3 - Irish Jester (ISH) ------ Irish Enough (ISH) - Yellow Empress(TBX?) ---- (bred in Aus)
4 - Ben along Time (ISH) ------ Cavalier Royale (Holst) - Campaigner’s Dream (ISH) x Campaigner (TB)
5 - McKinlaigh (ISH) ------ Highland King (ISH) - Kilcimney Hostess (ISH) x Stretchwood Lad (TB)
6 - Call again Cavalier (ISH) ------ Cavalier Royale (Holst) - My Woodland’s Lady (ISH) x Aristocracy (TB)
7 - ISMENE DU TEMPLE (SF) ------ Cabdula du Tillard (SF) - Amethyste (SF) x Quatsous (SF) (sireline is Trak, sire’s sire was Abdullah)
8 - Butts Leon (Hann) ------ Heraldik (TB) - Lillian (Hann) x Star Regent (TB)
9 - GAZELLE DE LA BRASSERIE (Swiss WB) ------ Caracondo (BWP) - Oree de la Brasserie (AA) x Arlequin (AA) (Sire’s side is heavy AA also)
10 - Miner’s Frolic (TB) ------ Miner’s Lamp (TB) - Mighty Frolic (TB) x Oats (TB)
11 - Headley’s Brittania (BSH) ------ Jumbo (BSH) - Alan’s Bambi (TB) x Alanrod (TB)
12 - Mr Medicott (ISH) ------ Cruising (ISH) - Slieve Luachra (ISH) x Edmund Burke (TB)
13 - Ringwood Jaguar (Aus SH) ------ Jensen’s Man (QH) - Lili (TB)
14 - Parkmore Ed (ISH) ------ Parkmore Night (ISH) - Bodalmore Lass (ISH) x Diamonds are Trumps (RID)
15 - Connaught (ISH) ------ Ballysimon (ISH) - Bromehill Rogue (ISH) x Royal Rogue (TB)

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With your question to me, are you referring to my post 9? Maybe you should go back and read it for comprehension.

Once again, referring to my post 16, a full TB can be accepted and registered as an ISH. It’s not mutually exclusive. ISH is a REGISTRY only.

You seem fixated on your list of 15 specific horses, I was not. Out of curiosity, what TB percentage do you think each of the top ISHs (off your list here) have?

[sm1]

With your question to me, are you referring to my post 9? Maybe you should go back and read it for comprehension.

Once again, referring to my post 16, a full TB can be accepted and registered as an ISH. It’s not mutually exclusive to be an ISH and to be 100% TB.

You seem fixated on your 7 specific horses, I was not. Out of curiosity, what TB percentage do you think each of the top ISHs (off your list here, by your count 7 horses) have?

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@gottagrey;3434610

Where did you find the breeding of the horses?

You can get them off here, scroll down and click on competitor’s name http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/INF/EQ/C73CD/EQX003301.shtml#EQX003301

However, as I mentioned earlier, the Jockey Club TBs (a book to be recognized, I’m not talking about a whacky registry somewhere with cooked books) are not recognized.

There is also an error in Poggio IIs ownership: they are missing Amy Tryon as owner, should appear along with the one they did post – Hart Mark.

[grayarabpony]

[QUOTE=Drvmb1ggl3;3432453]
It’s counter intuitive for the fact that the ISHs that have traditionally dominated in eventing down through the years have invariably been by TB stallions out of ISH mares.
Also the Germans have often been beaten with a big stick on these forums by the anti-WB crew for supposedly having the format changed to suit their “less blood” horses, yet they have the highest blood horses. The two Butts breed horses on the German team are 90%+ TB blood.

Btw, who reassigned my gender?[/QUOTE]

What’s the percentage of TB in the ISH parent? Some of the top ISH for eventing are as much as 15/16 TB.

[Drvmb1ggl3]

@grayarabpony;3435961

What’s the percentage of TB in the ISH parent?

Which ISH parent of which horse. You need to be more specific.

[Drvmb1ggl3]

Final standings…

1 - Marius (Holst) ------ Condrieu (TB) - Eche (Holst) x Laurin (Holst)
2 - McKinlaigh (ISH) ------ Highland King (ISH) - Kilcimney Hostess (ISH) x Stretchwood Lad (TB)
3- Miner’s Frolic (TB) ------ Miner’s Lamp (TB) - Mighty Frolic (TB) x Oats (TB)
4 - Irish Jester (ISH) ------ Irish Enough (ISH) - Yellow Empress(TBX?) ---- (bred in Aus)
5 - Butts Abraxxas (Hann) ------ Heraldik (TB) - Kira (Hann) x Kronenkranich (TB)
6 - ISMENE DU TEMPLE (SF) ------ Cabdula du Tillard (SF) - Amethyste (SF) x Quatsous (SF) (sireline is Trak, sire’s sire was Abdullah)
7 - Ben along Time (ISH) ------ Cavalier Royale (Holst) - Campaigner’s Dream (ISH) x Campaigner (TB)
8 - Butts Leon (Hann) ------ Heraldik (TB) - Lillian (Hann) x Star Regent (TB)
9 - GAZELLE DE LA BRASSERIE (Swiss WB) ------ Caracondo (BWP) - Oree de la Brasserie (AA) x Arlequin (AA) (Sire’s side is heavy AA also)
10 - Ringwood Jaguar (Aus SH) ------ Jensen’s Man (QH) - Lili (TB)
11 - Call again Cavalier (ISH) ------ Cavalier Royale (Holst) - My Woodland’s Lady (ISH) x Aristocracy (TB)
12 - Parkmore Ed (ISH) ------ Parkmore Night (ISH) - Bodalmore Lass (ISH) x Diamonds are Trumps (RID)
13 - Connaught (ISH) ------ Ballysimon (ISH) - Bromehill Rogue (ISH) x Royal Rogue (TB)
14 - Stand by Me (SWB) ------ Stanford (SWB) - Princess Fair (SWB) x Prince Fair (TB)
15 - Lenamore (ISH) ------ Sea Crest (RID) - Karinella (TB) x Valiyar (TB)

[sisu27]

[QUOTE=Foxtrot’s;3433208]
Canadian version here - Anybody else felt that the commentary on cross country was lacking. Seemed to me that it was geared to about “C” level Pony Club, and - in Canada anyway - it would have been nice to have a x-country specialist commentating. We were dying to know the bloodlines of the hores and more about their careers, and the riders. Seemed that the research had not been done and there were only stats on the course which they could read. Hope I’m nt coming over as a real grump here, but I would think that tv viewers would be interested instead of the obvious being commented on. I could name a few commentators who would have been perfect, starting with Denny?? He always has opinions:)[/QUOTE]

Cara isn’t exactly new to the sport although she is obviously dressage biased. I think Nancy was “dumbing it down” a bit and playing into having Cara explain eventing to the non-horsey viewers. CBC wasn’t about to pay for an expert in each phase I’m sure but yeah it would have been nice. As far as more bio info I would agree. They did do a couple nice ones in commercial time about Ian and Eric. I think for us it just always comes down to budget:(

I am just thrilled we are getting to see all the equstrian events in their entirety. They coulda’ had Don Cherry barking away for all I care!

I was dissapointed that Corageous Comet and Madison Park were listed as unknown particularly because they are OTTBs. I would suspect that that info could have been obtained even if their home federation did not provide it.

[HoosierHorseNut]

[QUOTE=miggyb;3432157]
NOT all the rest are by ISH stallions and Im sure that you will find this even more counterintuitive…

Ringwould Jaguar (Aussie rider Sonja Johnsons- AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI!!!) is an Australian Stock Horse and he is by Jensen’s man (Quarter horse) out of Nations of Lili (TB)… now explain that one![/QUOTE]

^ SO that means that there is an Appendix QH in the mix? Woot! ( although, I’ve taken to calling mine a TB x. :lol:

[grayarabpony]

[QUOTE=Drvmb1ggl3;3436199]
Which ISH parent of which horse. You need to be more specific.[/QUOTE]

In general. ISH in eventing usually have high percentages of TB blood.

[gottagrey]

What I do find interesting is with all the ISH doing so well in international competitions (not just Eventing but Show Jumping as well) that the Irish riders, while many are fabulous, don’t seem to finish near the top - not in eventing any way. The Irish do often seem to put together a good show jumping squad.

While much of the debate on the shorter courses for eventing seems to be centered around Germans and their WB, my understanding is that it has as much to do about logistics as it does breeding - meaning the LAND it takes to run the longer course

[grayarabpony]

[QUOTE=Foxtrot’s;3433208]
Canadian version here - Anybody else felt that the commentary on cross country was lacking. Seemed to me that it was geared to about “C” level Pony Club, and - in Canada anyway - it would have been nice to have a x-country specialist commentating. We were dying to know the bloodlines of the hores and more about their careers, and the riders. Seemed that the research had not been done and there were only stats on the course which they could read. Hope I’m nt coming over as a real grump here, but I would think that tv viewers would be interested instead of the obvious being commented on. I could name a few commentators who would have been perfect, starting with Denny?? He always has opinions:)[/QUOTE]

Same gripe in America. Sorry but Melanie Smith Taylor leaves a lot to be desired as a commentator. I like Mike Tucker’s commentary although he’s not always spot on about the riders’ capabilities.

[Drvmb1ggl3]

@gottagrey;3436584

What I do find interesting is with all the ISH doing so well in international competitions (not just Eventing but Show Jumping as well) that the Irish riders, while many are fabulous, don’t seem to finish near the top - not in eventing any way. The Irish do often seem to put together a good show jumping squad.

The best horses are generally sold overseas, but in reality the quality of the Irish eventers, riders that is, has always left a lot to be desired. Esp in the dressage.

While much of the debate on the shorter courses for eventing seems to be centered around Germans and their WB, my understanding is that it has as much to do about logistics as it does breeding - meaning the LAND it takes to run the longer course

Exactly.
The whole “the short format is a devious ploy by the Germans to turn Eventing into a WB dominated sport!!” was always a load of cobblers.

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@Drvmb1ggl3;3436199

Which ISH parent of which horse. You need to be more specific.

Of all seven on your list.

One can’t tell from here, too many blanks in pedigree even if the data input is unofficial: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mckinlaigh
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/parkmore+ed

One can’t tell from the ISH rulebook, because they allow 100% DNA TB foals to be registered as ISHs.

And no where can I find online, unlike the JC, the ISH with a database with 5- or 7- generation ISH breeding.

And so I’ll ask again:

[quote=sm;3435483] Out of curiosity, what TB percentage do you think each of the top ISHs (off your list here, by your count 7 horses) have?
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[grayarabpony]

It doesn’t take THAT much more land to have road and tracks and steeplechase.

[Janet]

And no where can I find online, unlike the JC, the ISH with a database with 5- or 7- generation ISH breeding.
Have you tried the Irish Horse Board web site? Even there they have SOME “not known”. But if known they are listed.

[grayarabpony]

Custom Made is 1/2 TB, according to All Breed Pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/custom+made2

Eagle Lion is 1/2 TB: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/eagle+lion

Biko is registered both as TB and Irish Sports Horse: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/biko2

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@Janet;3436992

Have you tried the Irish Horse Board web site? Even there they have SOME “not known”. But if known they are listed.

http://www.irishsporthorse.com/
They have stallions to two generations, no 5- or 7-generation, and no dam line to review.
They have also gone without the XX when identifying TBs.
Very strange books… but then it’s a registry only and they don’t need to proove breed.

[Janet]

@sm;3437031

http://www.irishsporthorse.com/
They have stallions to two generations, no 5- or 7-generation, and no dam line to review.
They have also gone without the XX when identifying TBs.
Very strange books… but then it’s a registry only and they don’t need to proove breed.

They have a list of “approved TB Stallions”.
http://www.irishsporthorse.com/_fileupload/publications/Section_1_FINAL_f459fea6d2c1dc2a4f9873b6e1c3ceef.pdf

And this one for ISH stallions
http://www.irishsporthorse.com/_fileupload/publications/Section_3_FINAL_80bd586e2a1ae9959b713e6452d827f8.pdf
indicates TB in the pedigree.

[huntrpaint]

[QUOTE=grayarabpony;3436965]
It doesn’t take THAT much more land to have road and tracks and steeplechase.[/QUOTE]

I thought they took out R/ts and steeplechase a few years ago in hopes of making cross-country safer (i.e. not using an exhausted horse at the beginning of the cross country)
Seems like that idea has backfired as far as safety is concerned. I remember reading some of the big name eventers believed it would backfire, that the long version would actually be safer then the newer shorter version.