Eventing Dressage vs. other types of Dressage... How different are they really?

[Samantha37]

@Denali6298 I can totally appreciate that.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

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You need to narrow your focus down to what you can do, shut out the social anxiety, and trust your coach.

No one succeeds in running a marathon if they suddenly have a panic attack half way through thinking that someone might think their shorts are the wrong color. Etc.

Young girls are socialized to be extremely socially competitive and anxious whereas boys get their competitiveness channeled into sports and other activities. Girls can end up being paralyzed by all the voices they have internalized.

People who are excellent riders have the capacity to shut out the rsilbirds and the what-ifs and ride the horse in the moment of now.

That however also requires getting rid of any desire to “prove yourself” or “show them” and just focus on the goal for its own sake.

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That’s exceptionally insightful. Thanks for these words of wisdom.

[kcmel]

@halt

i cannot believe this is an issue of contention with you. if event dressage was not different than dressage why are our top event riders taking lessons from top dressage coaches?

Wait, if event dressage was different then straight dressage then top event riders WOULDN’T take lesson from top dressage trainers because they would be teaching them the wrong kind of dressage.

Besides which, of course in a sport that involves 3 different disciplines, it only makes sense to take lessons with a specialist. Top level event riders also take lessons with stadium jumping coaches. (Which is a bit different in terms of speed, etc. but the basic principles are the same).

[Jealoushe]

@kcmel

Wait, if event dressage was different then straight dressage then top event riders WOULDN’T take lesson from top dressage trainers because they would be teaching them the wrong kind of dressage.

Besides which, of course in a sport that involves 3 different disciplines, it only makes sense to take lessons with a specialist. Top level event riders also take lessons with stadium jumping coaches. (Which is a bit different in terms of speed, etc. but the basic principles are the same).

Thank you…thank you for this post lol

People who want to be at the top go to ride with people at the top. That is exactly why top event riders ride with top dressage riders and show jumpers - so they can learn their craft. This is a non argument at this point. I can post a video of a young horse I am training and you will not be able to tell whether her future is to be in dressage or eventing. She is started the same, all the work to be done with her will be same if she were doing straight dressage or eventing.

Dressage is dressage.

Each horse is unique, but the discipline itself is the same. If you are seeing otherwise, then you need to get around more educated trainers/riders.

[Jealoushe]

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i think you need to read for comprehension. start at my original post. you came in hot and bothered because you misinterpreted part of my post. this is a common theme for you over the years. my OP, btw:

i also would love to know where you’re getting this ironclad fact that “event horses and dressage horses are started the same way”. i suppose this is a stretch but should i assume that race horses are also started the same way?

why don’t you ask Jimmy Wofford how he prefers his event horses to be started, and then ask Carl Hester how his dressage horses are started. or ask MJ how he starts his horses, and then IW how hers are started.

i guarantee you the answers will be different. :rolleyes: that was my point. the basics, quality of paces, and training scale would be evident in any professional barn but the day to day training and conditioning can be night and day. i don’t know any dressage horses that go for gallop sets on the countryside, do you? i also don’t know many true event horses nailing collection in their fifth and sixth year. the day to day training is very different for both horses because they perform different jobs.

this is my last post on this subject because it’s obvious you don’t want to learn that other people do things differently, you just want to argue.

Dude, what is your problem. I have 0 clue who you are yet apparently you are aware of my posting style over the years? Maybe less stalking is needed.

No, race horses aren’t started the same way, because they aren’t dressage horses. An event horse is a dressage horse, who happens to do other things.

I know how Carl Hester starts his horses, spent 16 hours watching him coach and listening to him. He starts them the same way I do. The same way many educated eventers do too.

Seriously, enough with the rolleyes. I get you seriously hate me but your attitude gets you no where.

Plenty of dressage horses go hacking. Plenty of event horses are starting collection by going Prelim. But that statement in itself is incorrect. Some horses in dressage do not start collection until much later. Every horse is different.

This discussion was about dressage. Not training for XC or Stadium. Of course there is different training for an event horse for those phases, but this discussion is about the DRESSAGE portion of eventing. The DRESSAGE training is not different, or shouldn’t be.

I am well aware people do things different. I also think you are completely wrong, so that doesn’t mean I don’t want to learn. It just means I disagree with you.