Except you are leasing the land. There is nothing in writing that says if the lease is terminated for any reason that you continue to have rights to the land. You do have the right to remove your property and in most leases you have xx days to do so. So if you BUILT something on the leased land that was a risk you chose to take. You may have merrily planned your future around everything staying the same for another 20 years but unless there was a provision to purchase the land and the circumstances and price you took a big risk.
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If you want something long-term, that you can build and run to your liking and where you control the shots - buy it. You will still have plenty of headaches - zoning, taxes, insurance but you own it.
I can guarantee you this is NOT what happened. Eventing Nation/Wylie poked the bear that is Denis and he probably growled and snapped at them VERY LOUDLY. Walker knew he was doing this. No one was surpsied and I will put money down that the issue on the Eventing Nation side is they kept pushing and attempting to bully and the issue on the other side is that Denis is a curmudgeonly old man. The change would have happened if Eventing Nation has practiced some patience (they reference the Redskins name change - that occured at least 15 YEARS after the issue was first brought up).
In my opinion Eventing Nation should have played the long game and gotten the other board members on their side while leaving Glaccum alone (this could potentially include Walker - I do not know his views specifically). Eventing Nation was told if they kept down this path, they would likely lose the venue and they did not alter course. John Thier was a working student for Dutton (according to his EN staff write up), why did he not use that to his advantage?
I suspect that Walkerâs relationship with Glaccum was not the best but he dealt with it because of other benefits and this incident became the last straw. There are at least two land owners that are near the venue that I know of that did NOT like all the horse trailer traffic, especially with how it tore up their property. I am sure there was constant work in keeping everyone happy. Parking and dressage used to be held on the other side of RT 82. Stadium was held near 82 and cross country started on that side and you ran up hill. I am not exactly sure why the change happened but I wouldnât be surprised if that was not part of Walkerâs property and the land owner didnât like how the horse trailers and people tore up the land. This land is also hunted by Cheshire Hunt.
Also, it should be noted that the notice went out on the 14th and Walker stated he would not kick everyone out right away AND help move everything so your example of someone showing up and being surprised and immediately kicked, no discussion, no help moving is not how it happened.
No one except us innocent bystanders was surprised that this happened. There is currently nothing on the website and Iâm still trying to figure out if they are having their unrecognized event at the end of October as I was planning to attend.
Plantation was MUCH MORE than this one event. The silent auction that ended a few days ago benefited not only the horse trials but also land preservation and a local food bank. They held schooling shows that benefited different organizations and offered younger people/horses opportunities to get out and school themselves/their horses.
As far as anything built on the land being lost - those are the breaks. My dad had two houses on his property, a tenant in the front house. That tenant asked if he could turn the attic into a second floor room for his adult daughter to move in. Legally my dad had no obligation to allow him to stay in the house after it was done. He also had no obligation to pay for any of it, which he did not. (I think his exact words were âI donât care what you do but Iâm not payingâ).
In my opinion, morals take a back seat to all this because even within a culture everyoneâs morals will differ slightly. You may think stealling packs of post-it notes from the office is fine and your sister may not. In my opinion, this concept that everyone should have the same morals and follow them to the letter is one of the biggest barriers in true equality. If someone thinks it is ok to vilify someone else for not being in moral lock-step with themselves, they will never reach an understanding because in my opinion, they are not interested in understanding.
Well, I officially regret poking at Twitter. One of them is apparently redoubling efforts to identify me by name now that I have joked about them on the forums.
The twitter user acknowledges that it is hostile to âoutâ someone on social media, but considers it justifiable with respect to me, because sheâs not explicitly directing some sort of âactionâ to take place. Whatever that means. But she follows up that reassuring sentiment by explaining, âItâs more about ripping away the anonymity that harbors a safe space for racist thoughts.âÂ
Oh well. Whoever declared twitter about as pleasant as a colonoscopy - yes⊠yes indeed.
I guess I am considered a âracistâ in their opinion, because I have vociferously criticized people for unjustifiably labeling upper level eventers âracistsâ after the upper level eventers made comments publicly saying that Mr. Walker had been treated unfairly/poorly by the folks at EN and USEF/USEA, with respect to the name of his property.
And apparently the property is a racist property, all because the word âPlantationâ is part of its name. And anyone objecting to the mob of people demanding that this property - property they donât own - be renamed⊠well⊠the people objecting to the righteous mob?
Yup. All racists.
Iâll give EN credit⊠they are darn effective at social media tactics. There certainly is quite a mob out there now, and that mob is seeing racists EVERYWHERE. Goode Proctor and the devil indeed.
Oh well, if I go to the twitter guillotine, I go to the twitter guillotine.
Well, clearly thatâs not how it happened. The media threatened multiple times to blow the entire thing wide open, and did. There was a clearly defined contract. My point is that there are no âmoral obligationsâ written into a contract.
I have a boarding facility that I allow people to use for clinics. Itâs enjoyable to me as I also use the clinician but itâs a lot of work. If this happened to me Iâd shut the entire thing down. I donât have a moral obligation to open my facility to strangers for their enjoyment.
Your idea of moral obligations doesnât fit here. This is a private facility. It doesnât matter if the land owner is a huge racist as others have claimed, or a generous benefactor who has been insulted. Private facility under contract that has ended.
EN knew the possible outcome and proceeded anyway. They took a risk because they felt like the represented both POC and eventers.
Theyâve put out two other reports as well, that fill in key gaps. And the Chronicleâs report on the whole situation was very comprehensive and informative.
Itâs an interesting mental exercise to read the Horse of Delaware Valley, and the article the Chronicle did⊠end then the Eventing Nation editorial blog post/article âThe Problem with Plantation.âÂ
The contrast between two legitimate, long standing equestrian related publications, and the ânew mediaâ is STRIKING.
Ouch. I do wish the Social Media mob had something else to do with their copious free time. Can you imagine if they put all that emotional energy they are using to ârip away the anonymity that harbors racist thoughtsâ or whatever that tosh is into actual work? You know, maybe with the local homeless shelter, or the program to work with disadvantaged kids or the local trails organization, or the localâŠ3 day event? Oh wait a minuteâŠthat was the guy who âassociates with people who may at one time have expressed thoughts deemed offensiveâ doing that not the mob. (I donât know if he helped the homeless shelter of course, I just put that in for emphasis)
VHM, hang in there!
In that same vein, that would be like Kathleen Parker going to teach at a local school instead of telling teachers they need to be heroes and face hundreds of children in a day, in a physical plant that has inadequate ventilation and windows that donât open and for far, far less money than she earns regularly. Go be a substitute teacher, Parker. I bet your local school district is desperate for them.
Donât tell others what to do and how to do it. Lead by example.
There is also a tie in with JA, and the USEA and Equiratings. JA used to be on the Equiratings podcast. Now the Equiratings crew does the USEA podcastâŠand they are all close with the EN crowd. There is a lot of intertwining going on there.
As for Twitter, Doxing people is not cool, it is not OK. The majority of the horse twitter crowd carry this self righteous attitude, about how they are better than everyone and helping the world, but the minute they dislike someone for any reason, usually unwarranted, they become the nastiest, most abusive vile people. Huge hypocrites with too much time to spend online.
I was struck by the response to Jennifer Yoderâs second email. If that is how LW responds to readers it does make one wonder just what was said in the emails to the Plantationâs BOD.
Thanks! I appreciate that Ironically enough, this isnât my first rodeo with this sort of thing, but last time, it involved an anonymous person going on Horse Show Diva asking for private messages with information about my identity.
That apparently was a direct result of my posts on these forums and the thread I started: People Attempting to Undermine Safe Sport last November.
In all fairness, the likely people behind the HSD attempt to âoutâ me were quite possibly upset by my tactics of sharing the PUBLIC comments that a few key people were PUBLICLY choosing to put up on Facebook with their own first and last names attached, with respect to their strong support of any number of big name people past and present who have been placed on the Safe Sport list.
I was careful then (as well as in comments on this thread) to NOT post anything that I am aware of that is part of a private conversation, or was mentioned by any number of FB friends of mine who have their account settings private, or was posted in a FB group that is either private or secret.
And obviously lots and lots and lots of interesting info gets shared via those channels as well.
But nonetheless, people were truly upset by my tactics, and as the old saying goes, if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Itâs certainly true when it comes to social media, and those of us who do participate on it, even just on the forums, well⊠people can always try and make life unpleasant for you if they really want to.
I was a bit more agitated and alarmed about the HSD thing though, as I actually am a mother with a young child who rides, though not seriously yet. Even so, the fact that someone from a specific crowd of folks who have publicly supported a lot of stuff that personally makes my skin crawl wanted to identify me in real life⊠and thus by extension identify my young child? That really rattled me.
If someone wants to declare Iâm a racist at the top of their lungs though? Even though there is no evidence of such and they donât even know me in real life? I can deal with that
But it is really nuts, IMO. And I can certainly understand why all the other people much more directly involved in this Plantation Field situation than myself might be experiencing stress and anger right about now if they are the subject of these sorts of attacks and smears.
ETA:
@Jealoushe - thanks for your supportive words as well. And yes⊠horse people can be some of the most vile, nasty, crazy sorts⊠which makes me really glad I have my own horses at my own farm sometimes
Hmmm. Iâm only seeing the publicly available Horse of DV content, as I am not a current subscriber⊠so I donât seem able to see the LW response.
Iâm assuming I might see more if I was a subscriber? Iâm actually considering subscribing, just out of general principle and to support RESPONSIBLE EQUESTRIAN MEDIA after watching how this thing went.
People need to lear how click based media works, and how destructive some of the tactics are. And people should think about treasuring some of the long standing reputable outlets, like H of DV and COTH. I grew up on COTH⊠been reading it since I was around 9 or 10, when my mom was a subscriber, and I was a pony clubber who was shooting for my D-3⊠back when pony club and the ratings system still sort of set the stage for kids and young riders to eventually develop an appreciation of, and interest in pursuing, eventing.
@Virginia Horse Mom I think everyone can read the first letter sent to EN so Iâve just copied their initial response and the follow ups.
HI JENNIFER,
Thanks very much for your email. We incorporate reader feedback into our internal discussions about how we approach issues.
Thanks again and Go Eventing,
Leslie & the EN Team
Ms. Wylie,
Is this just an automated response? A further disappointment from a news organization swayed by few, perhaps just a âragâ online magazine owned by the squeaky wheel? Is this your way of trying to placate the outraged citizens of Chester County and the Eventing Community?
Please let me set you straight on a misconception you are operating under. I am not and will not be one of your readers. And if this lack of due diligence is an example of your journalistic practices, I seriously question why anyone would read the articles on your website.
How many riders approached you to express their unease with or while competing at a venue named Plantation Fields? Was it a hundred? Was it fifty? Or was it a handful that started your campaign against the name of this venue that ended up affecting thousands of event riders. Did you actually appear on-scene or do an online campaign for your investigation? Do these riders feel strongly enough in their discomfort to step forward and let their identities be known? Or did they even know the meaning and history behind the name of the venue?
I will share with you the response that I have heard resonating repeatedly from equestrians and citizens of this area. If these riders feel uncomfortable competing at a venue named Plantation Fields, even after learning the origins of the name, they are more than welcome to send their entries to a venue whoâs name does not make them feel uncomfortable. We ALL have that freedom (of choice and of speech). Their slots will easily be filled with others who want to take advantage of one of the best eventing experiences available. I would even say that, as a local, I have never seen any type of protest against this name, whether online or in person. Would you ban every word in the dictionary that may have a duality or suspicion of offending someone?
I also think Ms⊠Wylie, you & Mr. Burke, would be well served to look to see how many of your subscribers, advertisers, members and donors come from this region. Would they sway your views as easily?
Still Greatly Aggravated,
Jennifer Yoder
Ms. Yoder,
Thanks for your response. How many people of color, exactly, who find the word âplantationâ painful, does it take to make a small change worthwhile? 50, you suggest. Perhaps 100?
For your information there were indeed many, but even just one should be enough.
By Shelby Allen on Sep 23, 2019 9:00 am - 1,601 views
If a picture is worth a thousand words, then this post has a lengthy story to tell. Talented photographer Amy Dragoo and her top class team spent the weekend at Plantation Field following all the action.
Second⊠Leslie Wileyâs response? HOLY MOLY. John Thier seemed to express some sort of general attempt to reflect on what they POSSIBLY could have done better in his whole âWhy Change is Hardâ editorialâŠ
but clearly Leslie doesnât engage in self reflection. Sheâs the expert on everything. And I guess thatâs why the CEO of USEA felt the need to send her a signed letter in the days before this event, notifying Ms. Wiley that the USEA were taking her expert advice to heart, and taking steps to remove the word âplantationâ from all USEA media and marketing materials.
Seriously folks⊠what in the WORLD is going on with people?!? Playing nice with Jacobins doesnât ever end well.
Ironically enough, this isnât my first rodeo with this sort of thing, but last time, it involved an anonymous person going on Horse Show Diva asking for private messages with information about my identity.
