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The vast majority of undergrad programs would neither require nor even offer an opportunity to have any encounter, brief or not, with those three individuals.

There are also a lot of “reasonably educated” people who would have had no occasion to “read the works” of Sowell, Crouch, and Steele. I sometimes joke that I am overeducated and I never read Sowell until well after completing my last degree. I also had to Google “black conservative Crouch” to figure out that by “Crouch,” you probably meant Stanley Crouch - someone with whom I am not familiar.

Based on my experiences, I’d say that assuming most people aren’t particularly familiar with the writings of most black conservatives is a much safer bet than assuming that they are. If the average individual is at all familiar with black conservatives, I’d guess that they’re probably more likely to be familiar with those that have talk radio shows or appear regularly on TV. People like David Webb or Larry Elder (more of a libertarian than strict conservative). Maybe Sonnie Johnson.

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Well…believe me when I say I was your “victim.”

I suffered thru a long career in the corporate world and was the recipient of some of this training of which you speak, starting with “Men and Women Working as Colleagues”…to some assortment of diversity training. I know I was targeted in a RIF because challenged a VP when I had the audacity to challenge the pablum being spouted.

Back in the late 1990’s Texaco was sued for a racial discrimination lawsuit when comments at an executive level meeting were made public. This led to a $176 million settlement. Obviously Texaco no longer exists as a corporate entity.
https://apnews.com/article/70e77cc317140f90c4f49d58ac574a55

I also suffered thru the Franklin/Covey courses on effective time management.

However…I also found that I dealt with very powerful people in the corporate world…and the smurf, peon that I was needed to figure out how to “manage upward.”

So, with all that said I have found that some of the material that Covey writes has had value in my work…specifically.

  • Start with the end in mind
  • Think Win-Win
  • Seek to understand before asking to be understood
So Covey's work did have an impact on me. Instead of pushing an agenda, I LISTENED. I found that if I listened to people I was able to find common ground.

This way of reacting is not native to me. To this day, I catch myself and work on listening instead of reacting.

We can have discussions on Jim Collins at another time…

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Too many businesses are forming diversity groups and sending everyone a copy of WF to read. Meanwhile the entire C Suite is white men over 50 and always has been (my former employer is doing this). A bunch of cronies patting themselves on the back. Smoke and mirrors. But hey, Equkelly can sleep better having poked things.

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While I have not read Covey, this is what my main takeaway is from my decades of “managing up”, as well as numerous leadership courses, including those while studying for my masters in I/O Psychology.

It is something that I think many people are misunderstanding in many situations, which causes them to be confused and hurt that their end goal is not met. Most notably, the “seek to understand before asking to be understood” part.

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“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”

But hey… some of the people can keep on telling the rest of us that we really should rush out and buy a copy of WF, and begin to do a lot of introspection and hard work, because we are now all “allies” and actively engaging in “anti-racist” behavior is going to change the world.

Sorry… I call BS. The only thing that’s going to come of this garbage is giving a lawyer a card to play when they put together a defense strategy to cover your employer’s BUTT when that employer is hit with a lawsuit because they have a problem with diversity and inclusion, discriminatory hiring practices, discriminatory promotional practices, or a hostile work environment.

Which brings us full circle to Plantation Field and EN.

Anyone else remember folks mentioning over abc over during the first half of this thread, the obvious lack of diversity amongst the staff of EN itself?

Yeah.

Anyone else notice that John Thier is the publisher and a white male, and everyone who works for him at EN is a white female… and 40 something or younger? And none of the white female “youngish” equestrian employees on the EN team are obese… and all are relatively attractive?

Yeah.

Honestly… it’s probably nothing, and not a matter of intentionally racist, sexist and ageist hiring practices. It’s a small company, and most of the staff are riders themselves, and part of the same general social circle in the sport, and all of equestrian sports are overwhelmingly female in terms of those participating these days in the US.

But seriously… this whole thing is so ridiculous it’s actually kind of painful. :cool:

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I will now fess up… there is one bit of corporate training that DID take root in my brain, and a paperback and author I STILL sometimes refer back to abc find quite useful.

Dr. Rick Brinkman.

He co-wrote a rather amusing book many years ago: Dealing With People You Can’t Stand

Given your area of study and expertise… I bet you will find that one a bit of a fun read. And actually somewhat useful.

The last time I referred back to it was before traveling to visit the in-laws for a long weekend visit close to Christmas. Seriously. I actually re-read the section on dealing with “Think they Know It All” personalities, and sketched out a few notes about conscious communications tactics to use in conversations with my Mother In Law.

It worked pretty well, actually. :smiley:

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OH man, I HAVE to read that! I tangentially work with someone in a position of authority that I would love to meet in a dark alley.

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I read “Dealing with Relatives (even if you can’t stand them)” long, long ago. I may have a copy lurking somewhere.

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Yup yup yup! I almost bought that for everyone in my family for Christmas one year. I will admit, I thought it would be amusing to sit back and watch everyone’s face as they unwrapped their gift. :uhoh::lol:

You know your family is “special” when people start giving self help or advice books to one another for Christmas. One family member gave another a copy of “Geriatric’s Guide to Aging Gracefully” a few years ago. The unwrapping of THAT, and subsequent discussion was interesting to witness.

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Hmmm. I’m sorry you are so frustrated with some of us, and our opinion on the Plantation Field Situation, as well as the book “White Fragility.”

And I’m sorry that after 70 pages of this thread, we have not managed to find a way for the two sides to engage and communicate constructively on this issue.

I would suggest to you that you might find reading the book “DEALING WITH PEOPLE YOU CAN’T STAND: HOW TO BRING OUT THE BEST IN PEOPLE AT THEIR WORST” is full of helpful ideas on how best to poke holes in BA arguments with others.

Here’s a description of the book and what it covers. I recommend you check out the third edition… it was actually specifically “Updated for a New Generation of Bothersome Behaviors including: Meddlers, Martyrs and Judges!!”

Otherwise… the description of this useful little book is as follows:

Difficult people are everywhere. From bullying bosses who demand that employees scurry to meet their needs … to friends whose favorite pastime is complaining. From spouses who shut down when you try to connect … to coworkers who seem set on sabotaging your work. From parents who zing you with their “helpful” observations about what’s wrong in your life … to children who sullenly grunt one-word responses to your questions.

You have two choices when dealing with difficult people. Let their behavior drive you nuts – or learn how to deal with difficult people. Dealing with People You Can’t Stand, the bestselling book by Dr. Rick Brinkman and Dr. Rick Kirschner, delivers the proven strategies and easy-to-use action steps to cope with the difficult people in your life.

How You’ll Benefit:

  • Recognize difficult people for who they truly are: people you care for … who are behaving in a difficult, annoying way
  • Spot the 10 most common difficult behaviors: Tank Attacks, Snipers, Grenades (tantrums), Know it alls, Think-they-know-it-alls, Negativity, Whining, Yes, Maybe, and Nothing people.
  • Understand why difficult people act the way they do
  • Turn conflict into cooperation
  • Adjust your communication so difficult people understand what you’re saying … rather than getting defensive
  • Identify which communication tactic will be most effective when dealing with difficult people (hint: it depends on which behavior they’re showing)
  • Adjust how you communicate via phone or email so you don’t trigger difficult people
  • Bolster your courage when dealing with difficult people
  • Cultivate new conflict-resolution skills to use in every area of your life
  • Enjoy greater confidence when dealing with difficult people
  • Experience less stress and more harmony in all relationships
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There are literal memes about this phenom. A few years ago one went around that was a picture of the editorial staff at (I think) HuffPo. All white, 80 percent female, all very attractive. So weird right?

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I’d be interested in reading those posts.

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That was my point, yes, thank you.

And thanks @Virginia Horse Mom for more info on the others, I’ll look into them (still catching up on the thread). I have just seen a lot of people cite those three specifically to support their own…I don’t want to say racist because I don’t think they mean to be, but they actually are racist views. And then everyone around them says, oh well if those POC say it then we must actually be right and don’t have to listen to anyone else. And THAT isn’t productive to a conversation at all. So when I see anyone say they are viable sources, that automatically red flags anything else they say, just going off experience, you know?

ETA: caught up now. I just want to say, just because someone hasn’t read everything on a topic doesn’t mean they haven’t talked to other people in person about their experiences. You don’t necessarily have to be “well-read” to be a part of the conversation. I had to change a lot of my views after talking to people dealing with things I’ve never had to deal with. I haven’t read all of the things talked about on here because while I love to read, I tend to go to fiction and fun things as a “break” from life, or to things that will help me in my career (adv mechanics of materials, composite structures, structural fatigue, helicopter airworthiness, that sort of stuff, just so it’s known I’m not a dummy). I’ll try to get time to read things recommended on here, but I personally am by no means uneducated or ignorant. I AM trying constantly to learn more, most of my learning on this has just come from people I know or talk to. And its not comfortable to step back, look at yourself, and say there are deep-rooted racist thoughts there that you realize you need to acknowledge (like seeing a really fancy house, seeing that the owners are black, and thinking “wow that’s amazing they got where they could afford that”. That’s actually a bit racist, thinking however subconsciously that a black family having the means to afford a really nice house is unusual, and while you can’t outright stop your thoughts, you CAN acknowledge that you have them and recognize that there is a problem there, however well-meaning). So maybe I haven’t read everything, but I’m still working on myself. And I feel like that does give me a right to have an opinion and share it, my experiences, and things I have been told by others.

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Ok, I’ll work on them later today and hopefully have them up soon.

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I would be interested in your thoughts also

Eventing Nation and the PC Police lost Plantation. Cuyler Walker is the land owner and on the board. I’m local and the word is that Cuyler will not change his mind. Blame should be placed on the guilty party.

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Bret Stephens has an article in the New York Times this morning criticizing the NYT’s 1619 project. The comments on the article are really interesting and there are a wide variety of viewpoints thoughtfully presented.

One of the comments mentioned Ursula K. Le Guin’s short story Those Who Walk Away From Omelas. Interesting to ponder in the context of this discussion.

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Oh silly rabbit, it is The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas.

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Leaving this right here. What I have been saying all along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fJL9XBUHNQ&feature=share

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Oh, please. Can we leave this particular piece of political theatre out of the discussion here?

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