Ever had a mare like this? "opposite" heat cycles, sweet IN season, witch otherwise

[TSHEventing]

I have a 7 yo tb mare (chesnut… 4 white feet… maybe I shoud stop there…)

Anyway, had her for 3 months.

Went through a long transition cycle in January, had her ultrasounded. Found she had just ovulated. When she is in season she is sweet, lovely, leans on you, pathetic, sluggish, makes baby face if she is repremanded and pee’s every freakin’ 5 seconds (CAN’T be good for her back and legs)

Out of season she is a witch of an alpha mare. Sniffs poo when I come out to catch her, paws at it, gets all squealy and aggressive, turns her haunches towards me in “kickout” warning, if she is touched in the field she will squeal, sometimes kick out. While longing if I ask her to move forward she will squeal and pin her ears, squeal when I ask for canter, bucks under saddle, gets behind my leg and will try to not move forward, etc.

put her on regumate and it made it worse.

Trying the oxytocin protocol now and 3 days in to it, making it worse.

Was going to pull a blood panel to get her hormones tested (after the next heat cycle) but in the meantime was curious if anyone else had experienced something like this, what it was and what you did about it.

Trying to find solice…She is tense, spooky and grumpy when NOT in season… If I could pick I’d rather have the peeing than the mare that I have right now!

[Beentheredonethat]

I find that is typical of all the mares I’ve had, which is a lot. They are lovey dovey sluts in season. Most have not been major problems out of season, but if they are marey, it’s not when they’re in season.

3 days on oxytocin?? Man, I’d be a psycho, too. The vets have me use it after insemination to clear the fluid from the uterous because it causes contractions!

[TSHEventing]

Not 3 days, 10 days of 2x a day oxytocin. The protocol is on the AAEP website. It prolongs diestrous.

http://www.aaep.org/health_articles_view.php?id=353

see also Gee, EK, Gillespie, L, and Bolwell, C.F. 2012.
Effect of oxytocin on suppression of oestrus in mares exhibiting normal oestrous cycles. NZ Vet Journal. 60:189-93.

[Beentheredonethat]

Hm. Never heard of it. I’m sure the repro experts in here can give you their thoughts of it. I just know when I give oxytocin, it’s painful to watch the cramping and sweats.

Have you tried Regumate? Pain in the ass, but it makes them happy. My mare’s on it right now getting ready to breed, and boy I love this horse (and when she’s preggo.)

I’ve heard of mares being like that, but I have no personal experience.

[Fred]

My mare Cricket was always incredibly sweet and passive when she was in season. Leaning on me, peeing, following me around, peeing.
The rest of her life, she regarded me as a somewhat necessary underling, beneath notice.
I was welcome to admire her, but touching was not appreciated.

I miss her. :no:

[NaniLio]

[QUOTE=Beentheredonethat;6937259]
Hm. Never heard of it. I’m sure the repro experts in here can give you their thoughts of it. I just know when I give oxytocin, it’s painful to watch the cramping and sweats. [/QUOTE]

While I wouldn’t call myself an expert, Beentheredonethat, I believe you’re thinking of Lutalyse not Oxytocin.

[rcloisonne]

Oxytocin does cause the uterus to contract and results in cramping, sometimes very painfully. Only a man would consider it worth studying any other use. :winkgrin:

[Beentheredonethat]

[QUOTE=NaniLio;6939830]
While I wouldn’t call myself an expert, Beentheredonethat, I believe you’re thinking of Lutalyse not Oxytocin. ;)[/QUOTE]

Nope, it’s oxytocin. Lutalyse stimulates ovulation. I’m about to use it on my mare on Friday so I can time ovulation to get the semen (after having her on Regumate for 14 days to make sure she doesn’t ). Then, the day after we inseminate, I will give a bunch of oxytocin shots to clear her uterous of fluid, which she likes to build up. If you’ve ever seen a mare get this, it’s obvious. They are having cramps.

[elizabeth_Callahan]

The oxy protocol does not cause cramping except when the uterus has receptors, which it does not in days 7 -13 post ovulation, so the protocol won’t cause cramping.
Your mare 's behavior is due to her being under progesterone influence- which is what the Regumate does.( as well as the oxy, pregnancy and ovariectomy would do as well)
I’ve never tried estrogen supplementation- and I wouldn’t if I were considering this mare as a potential broodmare, but as a riding horse - might be worth a try

[Jumper_girl221]

My (now 20 year old) mare is somewhat like that. She would cycle for 2 weeks out of four. In season she was borderline a slug under saddle, bit herd bound, and would rub and pee everywhere.

Out of season, she never got witchy, but she was quite a bit more sensitive under saddle and more independent.

She had excellent ground manners all month, and is the “I am the queen of the universe, bow to me” in the herd hierarchy year round.

interestingly enough…I bred her for a 2011 filly. While pregnant she stayed a bit sluggish and lazy and wasn’t quite as over reactive…and it was durn nice to not have her peeing and rubbing on everything!!!