I like what I see
[QUOTE=Molly Malone;5668077]
I like what I see
http://www.gestuet-haemelschenburg.de/html/t5sfeder.html[/QUOTE]
The filly is nice but to heck with her that mare is stunning ! I’ll take two please. :yes::yes:
[QUOTE=hackinaround;5668542]
The filly is nice but to heck with her that mare is stunning ! I’ll take two please. :yes::yes:[/QUOTE]
That mare is just jaw dropping! WOW!!! :eek:
The filly is just gorgeous. Really, really nice. :yes:
[QUOTE=hackinaround;5668542]
The filly is nice but to heck with her that mare is stunning ! I’ll take two please. :yes::yes:[/QUOTE]
Agree, but I’d like the house, thank you! :winkgrin:
Seriously though - I can’t help but wonder where the filly referred to by the OP would be priced if she were chestnut in color. My guess is probably not even at half the price they are asking for the black jacket. Same for the colt that sold for such a high price at the Oldenburg auction. What is it about black horses that makes some people take leave of their senses? :lol:
While “crap” is probably too strong a term, I’m willing to bet there are breeders out there who, left to their own devises, would breed less than spectacular mares to Toto.
That’s because there are going to be a measure of folks who are barn blind, but have the $$. That’s just the way people are.
And yes, Toto was available for breeding w/ frozen in 2009, but they were taking “applications” and screening the mares. Not sure how many foals he produced that year.
I think it will be curious to see how the foals turn out. Toto himself is obviously a lovely horse and his pedigree is strong.
However, we have to remember that he himself did not WOW as a youngster; no matter what his owners said, I’m pretty sure that if they thought he would have passed, they would have presented him as a stallion candidate as a youngster. But the Dutch being so strict, I’ve got a sneaky feeling he was either presented and didn’t pass or the owner had enough connections/knowledge to know he wouldn’t pass and so didn’t present him.
Nothing wrong with this – just like American race horses, WB breeding has turned to often favor the early maturing animal vs a horse like Toto who, while certainly no slouch in terms of natural ability, did not show this brilliance till fully trained.
Might even be a good lesson to modern breeders…
I have two “average” mares – and if I was just “alittle bit” luckier with frozen semen I’d pay the $8000 to get one in foal to Toto if these guys are actually getting $50-80K for ONE FOAL. It’s a pretty good gamble.
The frozen seems to be very good, so even getting $40K for a foal is a great return on one’s investment.
This enters into a good business choice…it really doesn’t have alot to do with breeding horses…
Of course the filly pictured IS lovely. Geeze, how could she not be – look at her dam! Look at her dam’s pedigree! This is sort of like this woman I know who has a subpar stallion. But she’s imported all these top class broodies from Europe and when the foals do great, she tells everybody it’s the stallion!!
I suspect that mare pictured has had plenty of wonderful foals from other stallions as well.
The writer of this article seems to think that the first foals were born in February 2011 http://www.dressage-news.com/?p=6472 That means his oldest foals are at the most 5 months old. Still a very long way from going to any stallion licensings.
The christ x don bosco foal looks pretty nice to me. I think there were some moments when he was out behind but others where he was well-engaged. At this stage I would not be worried.
I’ve yet to see a Toto foal that isn’t stunning.
The marketing certainly seems to be working well. 
Seriously guys do you truly believe the prices these first few highly publicised foals are selling for are 1) not engineered? 2) sustainable?
I’d say the answer to question 1 is engineering all the way and 2 is no way. JMHO of course. 
[QUOTE=Molly Malone;5668077]
I like what I see
http://www.gestuet-haemelschenburg.de/html/t5sfeder.html[/QUOTE]
I like what I see too. LOVE the mare! LOVE the breeder’s thinking. They’ve put her to Kostolany several times and got superb offspring. I’d have this one in a heartbeat:
http://www.gestuet-haemelschenburg.de/html/k4sfeder.html
So it wasn’t too much of a gamble to put her to Totilas who has Kostolany as his grandsire. Very clever.
I was gonna say…I think you could put that mare to a donkey & get quality. She is lovely, her pedigree is lovely…just lovely!
So I’m not so sure I’m seeing Toto in that foal. Did this mare’s other foals sell for $80K?
Certainly several of her close relations have. I’d have to go back and look at the prices from Neumunster. She’s from one of the best producing motherlines in Trakehner breeding.
http://www.paardenfokken.nl/family.php?horseid=479938
a quote from Trakehners International
A crowd’s favorite was the dark bay Schwalbenglanz. Bred by Bernd Schubert from Wolfsburg, he was reared and prepared at Gestüt Webelsgrund, where his sire Checkpoint stands at stud. Schwalbenglanz is a very elegant and noble stallion with great manners and a well-balanced way of moving. he is a maternal half brother to the approved San Krotenbach and comes from a branch of the big Schwarze Schwalbe family that has ruled at Germany’s auction places in the fall of 2008 with a high selling Hanoverian elite auction foal by Dancier (75,000€), the top selling Klosterhof Medingen auction horse by Depardieu (320,000€) and more auction highlights, all from this combination of Sixtus, Arogno and the Schwarze Schwalbe line. Schwalbenglanz sold at auction for 70,000€ to Gestüt Hohenschmark in Holstein.
