Experience with bench knees?

Hello!

I’m interested in anyone’s thoughts or experience with bench knees.

I looked at a 7 yo TB cross mare last month that I passed on based on her foreleg conformation. However, I loved her otherwise and keep coming back to her as an option in my head. She’s in regular work and jumping low fences with no soundness issues so far, though I can tell she wears unevenly on her feet and has a bit of a paddle.

My own goals are not lofty- I mostly want to have fun, ride 4-5 days a week and show locally under 3 feet. I’m just a little worried about actively contributing to issues down the line (though I realize all horses, even this with perfect conformation, are a coin toss :slight_smile: )

Does anyone ride/ jump a horse regularly with bench knees and what has your experience been?

Oh, me! I just bought one with ever so slight bench knees and a slight paddle on the left front—like, just bought as in, yesterday. I bought her as a 2’6"-3’ resale prospect. I didn’t see the horse in person so I wasn’t super aware of her conformation prior to the PPE. The vet (at a top-tier sporthorse clinic in Florida) was not even remotely concerned by it for the job I’ll be asking her to do. In my anecdotal experience, horses with a paddle tend to move quite well. If you liked everything else about her, I’d move forward. No horse is perfect.

When I was 16, I bought a 3 year old warmblood cross mare with horrible conformation that included bench knees. She popped giant splints under both knees as a 4 year old. I competed her in the 3 foot hunters, and sold her as a 6 year old. Last time I heard about her, she was an older teen, still competing in hunters in Texas, but no idea how much maintenance she needed, if any.

The 10 years ago, a neighbour asked us to help sell a horse. This horse also had a bad bench knee, and a giant splint. We had it x-rayed, and it wasn’t pretty (I don’t remember details, but the knee wasn’t stable?)…the vet recommended retirement so the owners took it back. The horse wasn’t that old…maybe 11?

Based on my two experiences, I am not sure I would take that risk again for a jumping horse , unless it was super sweet and could easily transition to a lighter use role if needed, and I would probably x-ray the knees as part of the PPE.

It depends (LOL). On just how severe the issue with the knees is, and on luck. I’ve seen horses with offset knees (“bench knees”) stay sound in hard work, as long as any other horse does. I’ve seen horses with “perfect” leg conformation be unsound in light work. If it “bugs” you to look at those knees every day, then perhaps the horse is not for you. But if you can look past the knees and appreciate the rest of the horse, it’s a risk that only you can decide if it is right for you.

I’d take a chance on “offset” or “bench” knees before taking one that is “crooked through the knee”, bowlegged or knock kneed. With offset knees, the joint is unevenly weighted, but the weight is still vertical. With crooked knees, more angle through the joint makes it worse for future soundness, development of arthritic changes in the knee joint. You will often get a splint under the bench knee… this is just from the uneven loading on the joint heating up the ligaments that connect the splint bone to the cannon bone, and once that connection is solidly fused, it is much stronger in the support of the joint above it. All splint bones will fuse to cannon bones in this manner eventually, usually without forming an actual “splint”, the bench kneed conformation just accelerates the process. Once fused, the knee above is better supported, with either straight or bench kneed conformation. Splints that may or may not form in the process will often reduce in size with time, and are usually “cosmetic” issues only, once set and cool.

So, as always, you pay your money and take your chances, as with any horse you buy. If you can’t stop thinking about her, maybe it’s time to act on your intuition. As with any and every horse, being correctly trimmed and shod will drastically effect future soundness. With a straight legged horse, it’s easier to see what is “level”. With a horse with “deviations”, the foot still has to land flat, otherwise joints above will be damaged. What is “flat” with a crooked legged horse doesn’t look as pretty as it does with a horse who is actually conformed “straight” legged. A good farrier knows this, a poor one often doesn’t. Farriers trying to make crooked legged horses “look straight” is often the basis for future unsoundness in crooked legged horses.

I saw a TB yearling at the local yearling sale many years ago now. She had a set of legs that should have been in a text book under “horrific”, and a lovely set of lop ears. Offset knees, and toe in (which often go together). She was sold as a racing prospect, which I remember amazed me at the time. She never raced, and was going to be sold for meat as a 2 yr old, I heard. But someone bought her as a show horse prospect instead, and she turned up at the shows a few years later, in the green hunter classes. She did well, very successful, she jumped beautifully, won championships, . A few years after that, she moved into the jumper classes, and progressed on into the Grand Prix jumper classes in the following years, where I had to compete against her. When I last saw her, she was 22 years old, and had melanomas (she was grey), and still jumping around in the biggest jumper divisions. She was a star, very nice horse. This was in the days BEFORE regular and repeated joint injections were the norm for all horses, and in the days that all riders who didn’t make “minimum weight” naturally had to carry leaded weight pads to make 165 pounds in the Open Jumper divisions. Someone took the chance on her, and it paid off.

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This study investigated the link between front limb conformation and injuries in thoroughbreds. It found that horses with offset/bench knees had more fetlock problems and horses with knock knees/carpal vagus had fewer knee fractures and effusions.

How serious are the bench knees?

Thank you for the responses! I was hoping to include a photo of the mare’s forelegs, but it doesn’t seem to be working. The look of her forelegs doesn’t bug me at all. I know the smarter thing to do is to continue looking, but I liked her so much otherwise that I’m leaning towards contacting the owner again and trying to set up a PPE.

I don’t think she looks horrendous especially given your goals. It does look like possibly there’s some filling or something on the outside of the LF-- not sure if it’s a splint or puffiness or just a shadow.

You say you think the smarter thing is to continue looking? Why? To find one that looks perfect on the outside and potentially has navicular changes in its feet or OCD lesions on its hocks? If this horse is really a fit for you otherwise, I think you owe it to yourself to let your trusted vet make an assessment for you.

I can’t see the photos, but my bench-kneed mare just arrived this morning. Honestly, if the vet hadn’t told me, I doubt I’d really have observed that trait myself, but as I said, this vet (who works for a practice led by a US team vet) had zero concerns about that trait for what I intend to do with her.