Experiences with Summit Joint Performance?

Their latest claim is that is it GRAS and doesn’t require FDA approval. However, a quick search of FDA’s website will show you that GRAS applies ONLY to feed through additives and does not cover injectables. When I have questioned Reps about this, they either block me or ghost me.

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This post raises a lot of issues worth considering:

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Hmm, reps not wanting to answer questions is definitely not a good sign.

Yikes, that post raises some frightening possibilities. I’m glad I posted here, I’ll ask my vet if we can try Adequan or Legend instead.

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They’re leaning on the fact that C4S as an oral supplement is GRAS. And yes you’re right, that’s supplement stuff, not injectable stuff. The very fact that a VET had a hand in creating this and the literature, ignoring and violating critical rules, should terrify everyone :angry:

Reps don’t know squat, only what the company tells them, and even then the majority of them can only regurgitate, half the time not even getting it right :roll_eyes:

I also find it concerning that if the vet recommended this and the horse was started on it…then the vet is the “sales rep” in an MLM? Or possibly worse, that the vet’s getting it from some random “sales rep”? Or did the vet refer this client to some random “sales rep” for an MLM? Totally sketchy all around.

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I don’t mind a properly run MLM model. It’s just a business model.

But everything here falls apart at the product level.

It doesn’t matter if it’s Jane Doe distributor you’re buying from, or a vet distributor (though not sure about a legal conflict of interest here) or the sales rep in a “normal” business model who knows nothing more about the product than the random “feed rep” you get on the phone when you call Purina. It’s still an illegal product.

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But if you look up the GRAS paperwork for Chondroitin, it is for E. coli derived. Not bovine trachea.

And since there is NO insight into the source, quality, safety, purity of the chondroitin in this product…

That said, bovine-sourced does exist in a product called Chondrosulf® which has been studied for efficacy and safety.

Oh absolutely the illegal product is a giant problem. However, I trust that my vet is ordering (legal and proven) product through a reputable source, not Joe Schmoe down the road who has decided to rep some random bottle of untested substance, where there is zero recourse should something go badly. I don’t want my horse acting as a guinea pig unless I’m fully aware and agree.

I do though have issues with MLM models and don’t support them personally. They tend to make money only for those at the top and use questionable practices while suckering in those lower on the pyramid. There’s a great podcast called “The Dream” if it’s of interest to you :slight_smile:

You’d HOPE that your vet is recommending at least a legal product, whether it’s an unproven supplement with good anecdotal evidence, or a proven approved drug.

MLMs aren’t pyramid schemes (which are illegal, and do promote wealth at the top and it’s nearly impossible to make money down the line).

I have many friends making a quality living in their chosen MLM, having come into their company many many years after it started, so definitely not even close to the top, all of them equaling or surpassing their sponsor/upline. Not all MLMs are created equal, there are lots of different compensation plans.

I do think a lot of vets don’t really look into it very much. They know what chondroitin is, they make some assumptions on the legitimacy, and don’t think much further about it.

Really, that it’s still out there on the market is just so seriously crazy. :open_mouth: Can’t wait to see the FDA finally shut that shit down.

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I’m not so sure I buy that explanation, given that AFAIK, Summit isn’t carried by any legitimate veterinary supply distributor.
And one of the responsibilities of professional licensure is to do your damned homework where administration of foreign substances is concerned.

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Unfortunately, it’s pretty clear that not every vet out there is up to that level of care and diligence :frowning:

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Search is back, wooooo!

And here is the thread :slight_smile:

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Thanks for the link, looks like I’ll have some interesting lunchtime reading.

There was also this one, too :grin:

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A “friend” is a distributor & pushes HARD.
I wasn’t impressed with the (non) answers I was being given to my questions.
I asked a very knowledgeable & UTD on all the latest research vet, whom I trust 100%.
His response was “nope” & sent me this link to read
http://marescara.com/mythbusters-summit-joint-and-why-you-wont-ever-see-it-in-my-barn

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@mommy_peanut distributors can’t give answers because I’m betting they don’t exist :wink:

I found that website a couple weeks ago - best one I found!

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So I followed the original thread about this. And I’m of the same mind as the majority on here, not worth the risk. I’ll stick with veterinarian and FDA recommended Adequan.
But now another miracle super chondroitin 4 sulfate product popped up on my Facebook newsfeed.
This one is called MOVEX and surprise surprise, their website is super vague.
When is the FDA going to crack down on this stuff?