Explosive Spooking

I’m looking to get some ideas and insight on a big problem I’m having with my 4 year old mare.

She was professionally broke this spring before I bought her so she has 7 months under saddle. Currently ridden 4 times a week with one ride with a pro. Her health is fine and she isn’t sore.

The issue is a few times a month something will startle her and she is highly over reactive…bucking to the rafters/huge rears/double kicking. She will go from listening and riding well to this explosive behaviour in the blink of an eye no warning. It’s also over quickly and she gets over the spooky event fast too. So far I have somehow managed to stay on and I just go right back to doing what I was doing pre spook but she is still over reacting. She will also do this in hand on the ground or even loose in a field. She seems to want to fight off the spooky thing. Overall she isn’t an overly spooky horse but when some thing does startle her it’s quite scary. Both sudden sounds and things have elicited this reaction. It isn’t related to her being fresh or full of energy. Often she will do it near the end of a ride or after being lunged

Has anyone successfully dealt with this type of behaviour before? What might work? I’m feeling a bit discouraged about this behaviour as I was hoping this would be a horse I could show. I saved up a lot of money and bought her from a very well known breeder.

Any help would be appreciated!!

Have you tried riding her with ear plugs? Some horses do wonderfully in them, it dulls the sound just enough to lesson the reaction.

Have you had her eyes checked? Maybe she’s not seeing as well and this is a coping mechanism for her.

Other than that, she might still grow out of it, she’s only 4, so don’t get too discouraged. What does your trainer say?

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I would start with lots and lots of ground work. The goal at first is not so much to stop the spook but help her hit the reset button sooner and sooner until there is less reactivity and more relaxation. And continue focusing on relaxation when riding. Ear plugs might help if she is noise sensitive.

I will say that doing it near the end of work when she is tired also reminds me of my horse when he was rehabbing an injury as a 5yo. He would make up any excuse for explosion when he thought it was time to quit, which was usually when he was getting tired. In which case you also have an issue of work ethic. For rehab purposes it sure kept me from progressing too fast because I could tell ok he was too tired at the end of our 10 minute trot set today because he tried to explode, so let’s not move up to 15 minutes just yet.

How long are your rides? You might want to try some shorter sessions before this becomes a terrible get out of work evasion trick.

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Assuming she’s been thoroughly vetted, I’d start Tristan Tucker’s program with her. Spooking is really his specialty.

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I had a gelding that was very similar. I bought him as a 6yo from his well known breeder for a decent price considering he’d been having pretty good success in the young jumpers. Not long after I got him home did I discover why he wasn’t more expensive!

There was never any discernible pattern for the explosive behavior and even with the assistance of innumerable vets, chiros, acupuncturists, saddle fitters, etc. etc. etc. we never figured out any reason for it. It could happen at any time (or not) riding at home in any of our rings (alone or with company), lungeing, hacking in the fields, or in the schooling ring at any horse show. But the one place it never happened was in the show ring - in any ring at any show this horse would march around like a champ. So, while I got bucked off this horse more (way way more) than all of my previous falls combined, I went from jumping 1.10m to showing at 1.35m on this horse and he gave me an immense amount of confidence in the show ring. So for me, at least, there was definitely a silver lining 😊.

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Before anything I would contact the breeder. They should know if it’s a genetic trait that she has or she’s just a fluke. Either way, it’s a tad more information. If it’s genetic then the breeder may know someone who has sorted it out, if she’s a fluke there may be a soreness issue going on or a mental block.

I have a horse like that in my barn. He simply has a screw loose. He’s a loose cannon and and thrown several riders with his explosive stop, duck down a shoulder and spin into it. I don’t trust him a whit, he’s trampled his elderly owner in one such episode walking through the barn. Good luck.

Since I don’t see that anyone has asked, on the days when she gets her pro ride, does the exact same thing happen? Or is it only with you?

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If she is doing it because she is genuinely scared. Then John Chatterton’s Spooky Object Training will help. This teaches them that when they get a fright they stand still.

Ulcers can mean excessive spooking.

Over feeding can result in excessive spooking.

If it is because of work ethic above, then honestly there are a lot of lovely other horses out there to ride.

Keeping this short. Needs, much more training. PAIN. Those two.

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Very important…does she do it with your trainer too? And what’s your typical schooling session like? How long after you start with her, riding or leading, does she blow? Do you return to exactly what you were doing when she’s done or let her change the subject? If you were almost done, do you add more time after she settles, like at least 15 min of trot and canter work or quit very soon after. Be honest.

Smart horses, especially mares, learn very quickly that if they are not getting their way they can change the subject by scaring you. Don’t say she doesn’t scare you, they act like this, it’s scary. Really need to think about everything you are doing being very honest with yourself. In most cases, rider has inadvertently taught the young horse they can dissuade you from persuing anything they find difficult or continuing to work past the time they think are done.

You very likely have a teenage brat on your hands. Perfectly normal for the 4year old set after enough under saddle training to really understand where this is going and start losing respect. Usually happens at around that 6 month point and when the owner takes over most of the riding.

Bothers me a bit that HRH here has started disrespecting and talking back to you in the ground as well, stinker has figured out she can take control of you earlier so she doesn’t have to put up with so much nonsense. Mares, especially the smart ones…queens of evasion. Gelding will just buck bur mare won’t waste the energy and risk a spanking.

You just need a good bit of thinking about how you structure your time with her, avoid set routines, doing the same things in the same order in the same amount of time invites her anticipation and trying to take over.and get your Pro on her. She’ll always be a bit prone to take over but will keep you on your toes. Mares like this also make terrific competition partners, long as you remember ask a stallion, tell a gelding but negotiate with a mare…and if you do, mare will negotiate with you.

Everybody thinks saddle breaking is the tough part. No it’s not, it’s the teenage brat stage, smart mare just makes it worse.

Just a sec here to share my favorite two smart mare stories. Future Division Pony Mare, Medium IIRC, nearing the end of her Green year. Started swapping leads behind about 5 strides from the in fence coming off the corner. Everybody tried to fix it. Vet, farrier, saddle fit. No luck. Visiting clinician nailed it. Riders were letting her change the subject by circling, half halting, fiddling with her to the point she either stopped, drifted out or jumped in like a sack of potatoes and added up the line. She had learned to change the subject. Solution was keep her going to the fence even on the cross canter, which was uncomfortable and made her work harder to jump and get the numbers in the line. Took about 3 times off that corner and down that line on a cross canter to stop that swap plus an occasional refresher.

Other smart mare, Also a Pony, this one regular Division Medium long past Green, started stopping and ducking right at single oxers. Did find a saddle fit issue ( too long), changed that but problem continued. Did it with different riders. Same visiting clinician also figured it out. Approaching the fence, riders would get the stick ready in case she stopped, they all used the stick in the right hand, He had them lose the stick and just add spurs, When they lifted their hand to apply the stick behind the leg, they “ Opened the gate” with their body to allow the evasion towards the right she learned to take advantage of that, Solved the issue,

My own mare was the worlds largest smart Pony mare, just under 16h. She had a wicked spook she’d throw in after working both ways at all 3 gaits or at about 30 minutes. She came to me way but it didn’t surface until about 6 months after I got her, after she got comfortable and learned the barn routine. Seems she had learned the drill and only gave you so long after all tasks were completed then she announced, via that wicked spook and duck move, she was done and was not going to work overtime. Wasn’t in her contract. Call her agent. Cropped up from time to time and forced us to stay out there much longer then intended to convince HRH she was not in charge.

Outsmart and negotiate. But set boundaries and enforce them, don’t let her push you around on the ground, never stand for that kind of crap. She thinks you won’t correct her if she scares you a bit. Pro help will help nip that in the bud.

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Ulcers. Seriously. My gelding had a very similar issue with overreacting to seemingly benign things and we scoped and did a full course of gastrogard. He is now maintained on Succeed and it seems (fingers crossed) to have made a world of difference. He otherwise did not have any of your ‘typical’ ulcer indicators.

Riding around on a ticking time bomb is not fun.

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Have you had eyes checked? Sometimes this behavior can come from vision issues.

I think the spooking can come from vision issues, but the explosion is likely fear or pain. Has a one rein stop been of any use, or does she just blow right through it?

If the above suggestions don’t help, try a magnesium supplement for a few weeks–was a game changer for my gelding with similar issues.

I ride one like this. For me, it is working beyond the spook and realizing spook =/= quitting time. It sometimes means I have to step back that day - maybe, the win is just sitting trot lateral movements instead of a full jump school, but being able to acknowledge the spook, then just keep going and get a series of small wins at whatever gait I can usually works. For the horses I have had/ridden like this, I find that if it’s not a soreness or soundness issue, it’s a work ethic issue. Many a time, I have to swallow my pride and say “alright, today we will school spiral in and out at the trot since that’s all you can handle” and taking it day by day.

Is it seasonally brought on as well - IE, cold dark scary winter rides versus nice warm summer days?

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I’ve been pondering this and wondering if it isn’t just time for a break for her. Perhaps she’s getting mentally fried and isn’t mature enough yet to work through frustrations and needs real down time.

Personally, I like to get the colts broke and riding for 90-120 days and the allow them a month or so off to just breathe and digest, especially if they are mentally not there. Some horses are just ready to go after the first ride, but others take years to really bring around and need more mental off days.

My mare is an exploder, although is more of a runner than bucker, and I plan time that she can just sit and relax in the field or gets easy lunge or bareback days. Sensitive mares are usually incredibly intelligent and their minds just race and race. If you can find her trigger try to end before she actually starts it. My mare gets stiff in the neck and I know what’s about to happen, so I try to get her to ease into a walk and bend. Perhaps your mare flicks an ear or her tail. Maybe she side steps, maybe her eye gets a bit hard. Finding that trigger response will help to stop anything before it starts. Like buck brannaman says, it’s important to keep your horse out of trouble. Sometimes the best way of “fixing” a problem is to work on the threshold of the reaction.

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Thanks for all these replies, I appreciate all these ideas.

I will try to answer all your questions:
-yes she will explode even with the pro. Even in hand with the pro
-I am fairly certain it’s a fear response since she does it when startled (for example cat runs across the arena, person appears in a door, weeds waving in the wind, scary vehicle drives by etc)
-she does the same thing even when loose in her paddock. She seems to want to pull out her ninja moves when scared
-yes I find it very scary when it happens but every time I just pick up as we were and continue to end on a good note
-she had an extensive vet check before I bought her and no issues were found. I had my saddle and her back and teeth checked recently as well
-she has done this the entire time I have had her regardless of temperature, length of ride etc. It is just not going away which is scary

I started her on omeprazole 5 days ago to see if that might help. She had no other symptoms of ulcers. I have also hired a trainer who specializes in ground training to see if he can help.

I’m considering asking her breeder if any of her siblings had similar issues

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Exquisite sensitivity to surroundings and the ability to startle and react with lightening quickness are survival traits for a prey animal. Some horses just seem to have this trait for spookiness and I have always found it a tough thing to combat. My recipe for dealing with spooky young horses starts with their turnout situation–putting them in a group where there is a strong but fair dominant horse, so that in large part the horse in question feels that they have a lot of security and leadership in their life. I don’t think it hurts to get creative–I have used ponying from a pony horse, riding in pairs/groups with horses they know, and even clicker training with spooky horses. I have also had some luck increasing the level of difficulty of their work, for example pole and cavaletti exercises that are both fun and also require the horse to focus on the job. I also make over reactive horses spend a LOT more time standing around the arena while other horses work. I’ll just sit there and make a few calls or whatever while the horse practices patience and relaxation.

FWIW, I have never had much luck at all just trying to ignore it and “press on” with regular riding. I’ve also never had any luck with ulcer meds.

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I realize this is very unlikely given her age, but is there any MSM in her diet? I have one that turns into a complete nutcase on MSM - super explosive with an “act now, think later” attitude. Take of her off of MSM, she is able to use her brain properly. It’s so odd.

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