If I recall correctly the judge said he could take care of 1 horse that was owned by his mom and was located in Hampton area. (RNB - help me out here… is this correct?)
No clue if this horse is kept down south or up at Ruth’s place (the handler). Would be interesting to find out…:yes:
A comment…
Snowy ~ I truly do not know if it is that particular horse as the name was never mentioned in any document I have seen.
LaBonnieBon ~ you are correct but it was stated in court the city was Chesapeake.
After looking back at rowdijax’s first posting I realized he asked a very poignant and powerful question, “Why is this so important?” It is important on so many levels. Even though some people feel we, the victims, have some sort of personal vendetta against these individuals nothing could be further from the truth. We let go a long time ago and the fact that their names are attached to this case is purely coincidental at this point…the names listed could be Joe Smith and John Doe as far as we’re concerned. We realized years ago that this being the first Federal Case of it’s kind it could have a real impact on the horse industry not only in making changes but helping others as well. If this were not important I doubt the Dept of Justice would have highlighted it for National Victims Week…Jess Jackson’s attorney, Kevin McGee, would have contacted me 6:30 am when they learned of it…get asked to possibly testify before the Senate in KY…or the US Attorney suggest I go to Washington DC.
Since starting this thread I have be overwhelmed with PM’s, emails and phone calls…literally hundreds of people looking for help and guidance as they too had been the recipient of “bad horse deals”. I knew things were bad in the industry but I had no idea just how bad. Numerous attorneys continue to contact me in search of information and I have even started getting inquires from people outside of the United States. I am not a legal eagle nor have I ever claimed to be but if I can give them advice or pass along information I am more than happy to do so. The Dept. of Justice has been invaluable regarding this as well. I have asked them for input on some of these “horse deals” and what they would recommend the victim do next. This little case has set a precedence and is helping others in the horse community as we speak.
Let me say this, the victims have nothing to gain at this point. We had our day in court and justice was served. We are not looking for fame or glory and will continue to take the slings and arrows pointed our way. We DO, however, feel we have an obligation to use this case to make the horse industry a better place for all the up and coming equestrians who are in the sport currently and those who will fall in love with their first pony years down the road.
Pictures!!!
http://www.lauracotterman.com/proofs/upperville/NonTBYearlingColts/pages/0611061106.htm
http://www.lauracotterman.com/proofs/upperville/NonTBYearlingColts/pages/0611061103.htm
http://www.lauracotterman.com/proofs/upperville/NonTBYearlingColts/pages/0611061128.htm
I think the basis is the Court Order
The meaning of the Order is warped if he participates in a competition as I read it he was allowed to care for just one horse his mother’s and he wa not permitted for six years during his parole to have anything to do with horses. Taking a horse to a show is not required care of a horse.
interesting
Probation
It’s actually probation instead of parole…seems there’s a difference and it’s only for 3 years.
I don’t know the culprits
Who is the handler? I looked at the pictures.
Take a look…
Actually, Seal Harbor, they ARE allowed to attend horse shows. The order does not prevent them from doing so…
“The defendant is prohibited from any employment - self-employment or employment through a legitimate employer - in the equestrian/horse industry. This includes but is not limited to the buying and selling of horses, the breeding of horses, acting as an agent during the sale of horses, acting as a horse trainer, or acting as an instructor for riding lessons to any individual.”
And you are right, they were both “attending” as evident in the links below.
http://www.lauracotterman.com/proofs/upperville/NonTBYearlingColts/pages/0611061103.htm
http://www.lauracotterman.com/proofs/upperville/NonTBYearlingColts/pages/0611061105.htm
http://www.lauracotterman.com/proofs/upperville/NonTBYearlingColts/pages/0611061130.htm
http://www.lauracotterman.com/proofs/upperville/NonTBYearlingColts/pages/0611061155.htm
So in honor of the occassion I am also posting the link the USEF Rule Change Propoals. Make sure to post your comments!
http://www.usef.org/content/rules/ruleChanges/prc2006.php?chapter=GR
Thanks for the clarification. I’ve been following this thread and some of the other legal changes that are taking place on a state level (KY). Apparently I read more into what happened to them then actually did happen. Or maybe I just wished it were so.
Thank you for straightening me out. Sorry I mistated the facts.
Oh, RNB, you are going to have to stop this! These pictures are giving me the “vapors”!!
Those sure are some ssssexy fellas sittin in those stands! Aww, shucks! Too bad I was in the ring taking pictures and missed them.
Thought for the night
I wonder if a ‘person’ were to take the spectator’s little pooch and tell them they were taking it for a walk around the show grounds, but really sell it to “Jane”, telling her it would be delivered tomorrow. Then this ‘person’ goes on to the next poor soul who has a kid who has always wanted a Jack, tells them this Jack was on TV and is worth millions. The poor soul with the kid scrounges up the money and the ‘person’ takes the money in exchange for the pooch…
Do you think the spectators would be upset??? 
I’m Jealous!
Looks like the ssssexy fellas got lucky and I’m jealous! Afterall, these pictures are from the BROODMARE class!! :lol:
http://www.lauracotterman.com/proofs/upperville/TBMaresFoals/pages/0611062212.htm
http://www.lauracotterman.com/proofs/upperville/TBMaresFoals/pages/0611063011.htm
You have given me the courage to face the next few days
I am weary and I know War Admiral and RNB, TWL is as well and when you have worked so hard on something you believe is so right and see this; it really hurts. I want to thank you both for these pictures which I trust will motivate everyone to respond to the proposed Rule Changes.
That’s all we ask is that each of you is motivated to respond to each and every Rule Change and will try to help keep these parasites out of our horse shows where they can keep the stamp of respectability to continue their evil ways.
I watched this week a TV report of an 82 year old lady being attacked by a purse snatcher and she attacked him back with her umbrella in midtown Manhattan. No one helped her no one protected her and no one was there to witness and describe this horror. What have we become as a society when we don’t want to get involved?
Makes me want to be sick!
And…am I crazy or…does it look like one of them is smoking??? How nice. For all of you who defend them this is a great example of why they need to be banned for ever!!! They KNOW they are not suppose to be there and look at how casual thay are about doing what the JUDGE told them not to!!! Reformed my ASS!!! If they took the sentece seriously and wanted to do things right, they would RESPECT their probation and the Judge!!!
Glad I was not there!
Arrogant; self important; self serving egotists
They think they’re so special. I’ve had some confirmation that PV has bought land next door to Sauguerties three years ago. Only we poor honest ffools have to follow the rules.
Okay , You are ALL WRONG… That guy in the cowboy hat with the Jack Russell is NOT " Josh" … “Josh” is NOT that sexxy & cute… I do not know who he is . but I have seen him here in Middleburg and Upperville alot. I think he lives here. And he was at the Horse Show all week. I actually watched him in the schooling ring this week and he rode some very nice horses. And he rides very well also . I do not know who he is with or where he works but that guy is VERY sexxy on a horse . Let me tell you .:yes: I just hope that he is not going to get hurt by being around those guys. I think this is a innocent person that does not know any better and was just " a victim of circumstance " on Sunday. Oh well , lets just pray that he does not get hurt or caught up in this Drama with those guys… You know .
Trolling (again)…
Perhaps you could clarify where anyone said the person in the cowboy hat was Josh…I do not recall seeing it posted.
Seems to me that because it was a " Black Guy" sitting there in the grand stands and had a dog…(Jack Russell) that it was assumed to be “Josh” …?? am I correct here or what . do tell me . SINCE YOU seem to have all the facts .:eek:
SO TELL ME… DO any of you actually know what " Josh " & " Keg" really look like . I have not seen any pics up here since this has been going on and I would really like to put a Name with the face. ? Especially now that I am doing the Breeding classes and will be bringing out my youngsters. I want to know who I need to watch out for and NOT talk to … You know .:yes:
You are WRONG! :lol:
I posted about the dog and never did I say that Josh had the dog. Your reading comprehension is lacking and I was wondering if you could tell me something, Sport? Were taught to read by federal prison guards?? It would be rather upsetting to find out that they are not educating people better than that!
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