May I ask if you have read the bill? And if so, what do you oppose?
Isnāt there some sayingā¦
āItās not what you know, itās who you know.ā
The annual āget togetherā for the Federal Fraud Case is at Upperville this year. If you have been following this threadā¦please plan to find us there June 5-6-7 as we are planning to get there to watch the show together.
ANy body have the official last day fo the USEF suspension for both the felons in this case? Joshua Cardine and Keg Berlin?
It appears the ban for Josh is 5 years after Nov 2006??
Has anybody been seen showing???
you can just google Joshua Cardineās name and one of the links you get is the actual court filing at this link.
http://badbusinessalert.com/stories/1169953720/FINAL_Joshua_Cardine_Brief.pdf
It says he got 18 mos in prison and his probation forbid him to work in the equestrian industry. But this is an old case and he may have satisfied his probation by now.
here is another link offered by Equine Legal Solutions discussing the Cardine/Berlin case and one other, and the need for honesty and written commission agreements. Of course, no written agreement will protect you when dealing with someone who is basically dishonest.
http://www.equinelegalsolutions.com/secretprofittaking.html
ps/ based on the dates given in the Cardine probation modification ruling, he probably came off of probation sometime in 2008 making him free to work once again in the equestrian industry.
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My question was specific to the USEF. Following other threads about USEF suspensionsā¦
Date of Search: 5/17/2009
Red = Suspended from the privilege of taking any part whatsoever in any Recognized Competition, not allowed on competition
Both Keg Berlin and Josh Cardine and a number of horses connected to either are listed as suspended in RED as of 11/08/2006,. There appears to be no end date to the suspension.
It appears the USEF considers this suspension a current/ongoing suspension.
Thanks for the linksā¦ feather river.
TWF, I canāt wait to see you and the gurrls!! Itās been too long.
Iām up for planning another trip to KY - this time would be all play and no USEF hearings to attend! :winkgrin: What do you think??
Sending in my entries to Devonā¦Upperville canāt be so far off now!!
In case anyone is wondering, both men are still active in the regional horse stuff and have been since things blew over, and will more than likely be at Upperville doing their respective business. Have fun.
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In case anyone is wondering, both men are still active in the regional horse stuff and have been since things blew over, and will more than likely be at Upperville doing their respective business. Have fun.[/QUOTE]
They are both still USEF suspended so I doubt they will be at Upperville. If they are then the show will be having a USEF problem for allowing them on the show grounds.
Did you mean that youāve seen them at USEF rated shows? If so Iām sure you reported it.
Are they both still in good health? I havenāt seen them in years, and I was under the impression that one of them was quite ill.
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They are both still USEF suspended so I doubt they will be at Upperville. If they are then the show will be having a USEF problem for allowing them on the show grounds.
Did you mean that youāve seen them at USEF rated shows? If so Iām sure you reported it.[/QUOTE]
I donāt hang out at H/J shows but I just know for a fact that both of the individuals in question have been all over the place at all the usual hotspots here in VA and elsewhere and itās public record too. Ken (Keg) lets his wife or sister (not sure which she is exactly) Helena stand in the spotlight with his horses and sheās made a name for herself in his place while Josh just blatantly walks around doing his thing because nobody knows him from anyone else and what happened hasnāt affected him much. Think Iām mistaken? Josh even put in an appearance in the ring at Upperville last year handling a filly for an owner in his area and heās all over the place as a breeder, handler, trainer, and owner, so itās pretty safe to say he doesnāt have any qualms about putting himself out there now that time has passed and nobody knows who he is. Both gentlemen are breeding/buying/selling/running around just as they were before only a bit more cautiously perhaps. The wonderful thing about the banishment rules are that they only work if applied and they can only be applied if people actually know who is in front of them. Management doesnāt check the suspension lists and you wouldnāt be able to pick either one of them out in a crowd unless you already knew what they looked like.
Lex, do you know the fillyās name? Or what division? Interestingly, Upperville has stated that they have a USEF Steward at each ring and check entries.
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Lex, do you know the fillyās name? Or what division? Interestingly, Upperville has stated that they have a USEF Steward at each ring and check entries.[/QUOTE]
Iāll PM you the information but it makes less sense to me the more I look at it and Iāll explain why.
Helena is Kegās motherā¦
They have been seen several times at Culpeper in 2009ā¦ during the HITS horse show.
[QUOTE=LexInVA;4753131 Ken (Keg) lets his wife or sister (not sure which she is exactly) Helena stand in the spotlight with his horses and sheās made a name for herself in his place while Josh just blatantly walks around doing his thing because nobody knows him from anyone else and what happened hasnāt affected him much. Think Iām mistaken? Josh even put in an appearance in the ring at Upperville last year handling a filly for an owner in his area and heās all over the place as a breeder, handler, trainer, and owner, so itās pretty safe to say he doesnāt have any qualms about putting himself out there now that time has passed and nobody knows who he is. .[/QUOTE]
Upperville does not list him as a handler or owner. Who did he act as handler for?
Helena is listed as an owner but not a problem, she isnāt suspended.
USEF rules only control what happens at a show so his being a breeder, etc is a non event.
Because he is suspended he can not participate as an owner or handler at a USEF show. The show doesnāt even have to ārecognizeā him. USEF picks it up from the results file. Thatās how they fine shows for allowing suspended persons to participate.
There is nothing to prevent horses he owns from being listed in another personās name on USEF records. All they need is a sales document.
But if he is just at a show as a spectator then the only way USEF will know is if someone reports it.
So Lex, if you have all this first hand air tight info then why havenāt you reported it?
Or how about you Bonnie? You were in a hurry to say you saw him but Iām thinking not so fast to report it. I wonder, why is that?
You are correct on all counts. However, I do not believe Bonnie said āsheā saw them.
So Helena Berlin has been showing locally in and around Williamsburg and Smithfield. She has been showing a horse called Love Me True and not sure who the trainer is. Its a guy with a beard who sports all western clothes. They come with an older woman and a younger woman with long black hair. How nuts is that that they just show up and show and act like its all good?? They told me they are from Suffolk. And the kids name is always announced as Helena Berlin. Really canāt the local guys realize who she is and who she is affiliated with??? Totally nuts
Is the guy relatively bald?
