FEI looks at sweeping changes in Eventing

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The biggest question, IMO, is one of how these changes will impact safety. To me the concept of three to a team with no drop score is problematic, as is the idea that one competitor can “make up” time from another. How is this good for horses or riders, particularly if competitor A was a bit slow and competitor C feels the pressure to “make up” that time? Are we now going to see jumper riding in our stadium arena to make up for a slower round? Are times and courses subsequently going to change to favor the jumpers?

We also need to take a serious look at our philosophy and direction for the future. We have a few options:

–Stick with the Olympics at any cost and recognize that this might make our sport unrecognizable–a shadow of its former self.
–Stick with the FEI but not the Olympics and risk the FEI mucking with our sport but having a bit more pull.
–Ditch the FEI entirely and make our own governing body with our own world championships, international rules and competitions, etc.
–Ditch everybody and have a US only sport that we can later re-export (reining is now international, hunters are gaining ground outside the US).
–Split and take two different approaches to the sport (a US version not affiliated with the FEI/Olympic version–so Combined Training vs. Equestrathon or whatever BS name they choose).

Some of the other changes are smoke and mirrors. The name change? Aside from being silly and unpronounceable, the concept is a distraction. It focuses our conversation away from the other controversial postings here.

I don’t necessarily agree with the format of team vs. individual, either, but that’s less of a concern as it is specific to a few competitions and doesn’t impact the rules of the sport at other competitions. I am not naive enough to assume it will never haver a trickle down effect, but at this point there are so many things that are a bigger concern. I also wonder how these changes could affect nations that don’t have qualified teams–should places like India, Belarus, Jamaica, Russia, and Thailand have to send four star riders while teams only send three star riders? However, if a country has three 3 star riders but nobody at four star, should they be able to send a team? I can see the pros and cons each way.

–The bit change has the potential to be a good thing, but the problem is who is making the rules and how. My trust in the FEI, USEF, and USEA is shaky.

–Changing the scoring system only makes it more complicated (not spectator friendly!). The proposed changes also diminish the importance of cross country in the scoring. So we can get the weaker XC riders around with fewer penalties, which means our sport is even MORE at the mercy of dressage scores. If we just want to watch dressage horses do some jumpy stuff, shouldn’t that be a different sport? This is especially true if we keep with the CIC model of show jumping before XC, where riders can run harder without worrying about next-day recovery. I am not opposed to the CIC model as a prep for a CCI, but the new scoring indicates we are moving in that direction. The old formula was 60% XC, 30% dressage, and 10% SJ. The dressage coefficients were designed to keep that balance. This change makes one stop XC barely worse than two rails SJ. So I can again take my jumper, nurse him around a not-four-star XC course, and even if he has a stop, he will have already show jumped well and made up time for my slower competitor in that phase . . . . YIKES!

Turning our sport into a place for rejected jumpers with a modicum of bravery and balance is not what I want. We won’t beat the Germans at their game; we’ll just buy their horses (at a mark up) and continue to have mediocre results on an international stage. The changes in our sport have been and continue to lead us down this path. I, for one, am not a fan. It isn’t worth it. If I had wanted to be a jumper rider, I would be in the jumper ring.

On a related note:

There are many ways we could be more spectator friendly without changing the sport itself. We simply need to look at the events that draw in local spectators–non-horsey folks–and see how they do it. Rebecca Farms and Red Hills reach out to the local community. Why don’t other events do more of this–ads in the local to-do guide/weekly, ads in the local paper, signs, bulletin boards, etc.? Then there is making the event accessible–parking, transportation/shuttles, availability of food, etc. Rebecca sets a big tent up on the hill so spectators can bring a chair or blanket, sit on the hill, and see most of the course from the shade. Food and beverages should be readily available to spectators, as should information on both the sport and the individual competitors in programs. Making it a “day in the country” family outing with options for kiddos. Have a trade fair, bring in pony rides . . . Way easier than changing the rules of the sport for everyone! We didn’t even have to wear lycra with sponsor logos!

We had a family come through stabling (non-FEI) at Rebecca. The kids loved the palomino pony my barn mate was competing, and dad fell in love with coach’s big horse. I took the time to bring him out of the stall so they could meet him more personally. He had a fan club! The family said they would make a point to watch for those two horses and cheer for them–just because we took the time to let them pet a nose or two. We can’t make our sport much cheaper or more accessible for participation, but we CAN be spectator friendly for LOCAL spectators. Those are the folks who might join our ranks at the low levels, bring in business to vendors and visibility to sponsors, and eventually have favorites. Our riders, particularly big names, need to be OUT THERE during events, talking to spectators so that they can develop a fan base of non-eventers. THEN those people will tune in to watch them at Olympics and other things. Watching someone you’ve never heard of is not as fun as rooting for someone who was nice to you at the local horse trial in Atlanta or near San Francisco.

We will never get non-horsey spectators to watch much dressage, and we need to be okay with that.

Okay, long post over.[/QUOTE]

This is brilliant! Bold mine- what a great idea!
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My opinion

I feel like the FEI completely went over the current issues and attacked the problems that should come later. I think the level changes are interesting but to a degree I do believe pony height and horse height should play a level change, although it’s hard to chart that territory because some horses jump poorly and some ponies just amazing, but it may set back some riders, but keeping in mind that eventing was meant to test the horses stamina and ability I could see this as a controversial topic. They definitely do need to develope younger programs, but I don’t find these topics to be immediate issue topics. I think jump safety on cross country needs to be looked at. Course designers are praised for making more intracite jumps, but the sport started off trying to test the horses ability to jump on stables encountered in the fields, not out in space. A women I was a student for admitted that she trained Hunter/Jumpers over Eventers because Eventers had so much more liability and she wasn’t going to risk her horses on a cross country course. I think that to develope younger kids programs, the sport needs to be a sport teachers want to teach young kids on and give access to their mounts for. Our sport has so many tragedies, and no lesson program will flourish off of that. It’s safer to teach hunters or jumpers or dressage than eventing. I do admit that I love cross country, but I find the obstacles to be killing this sport. I think jump safety needs to be examined. Not the name of the sport. That’s wasting time.

I love this post.

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On a related note:

There are many ways we could be more spectator friendly without changing the sport itself. We simply need to look at the events that draw in local spectators–non-horsey folks–and see how they do it. Rebecca Farms and Red Hills reach out to the local community. Why don’t other events do more of this–ads in the local to-do guide/weekly, ads in the local paper, signs, bulletin boards, etc.? Then there is making the event accessible–parking, transportation/shuttles, availability of food, etc. Rebecca sets a big tent up on the hill so spectators can bring a chair or blanket, sit on the hill, and see most of the course from the shade. Food and beverages should be readily available to spectators, as should information on both the sport and the individual competitors in programs. Making it a “day in the country” family outing with options for kiddos. Have a trade fair, bring in pony rides . . . Way easier than changing the rules of the sport for everyone! We didn’t even have to wear lycra with sponsor logos!

We will never get non-horsey spectators to watch much dressage, and we need to be okay with that…[/QUOTE]

Wasn’t someone commenting that Rolex spectatorship is increasing?? I just remembered a post I made, lordy, back in 2006, which spoke to how to increase audience share for Rolex specifically.

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?117471-Posting-RK3DE-vids-CH-has-changed-policy!-see-post-102&p=2733695#post2733695

What about posters advertising the event with QR codes (scannable codes) that links you to a video of the previous winner. That way the uninitiated can get an idea of what the heck it IS.

This is a QR code: https://www.the-qrcode-generator.com/

Exactly! We don’t need TV audiences first–we need local audiences first, then televise what people want to see. QR codes are a great idea.

Preface: I am a lowly BN eventer that will probably never have the finances to do actual recognized events. And a teacher.

This is almost as bad as education reform. The FEI and the DOE should have a get to know me.

What they really need to address, and what the “changes” being demanded were pointed at, was safety. For horse and rider. Unfortunately, of course, they are completely barking up the wrong tree. I’m not sure if this is because they are complete idiots or because, well, dangerous sports sell tickets.

Sigh.

Ruth, I am also a teacher, and I agree about the FEI and the DOE!

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Exactly! We don’t need TV audiences first–we need local audiences first, then televise what people want to see. QR codes are a great idea.[/QUOTE]

Your idea for local events is awesome! I want to try to think of a way to get involved to start this up - especially for the regular horse trials, not just the biggies

It’s not my idea–plenty of events already do it. Red Hills has (or did the last time I was there forever ago) shuttles to the XC course and a food vendor right there. Aspen Farms in WA has signs beside the sj arena explaining the scoring so people can understand what they are seeing. Rebecca has the huge trade fair with pony rides, etc. They are also a breast cancer fundraiser, so parking has an optional donation fee. There are a ton of breast cancer fundraiser themed things throughout the event which involve both spectators and the competitors. The whole thing is a HUGE festival, and it even made it into National Geographic. The people of Kalispell mark it on their calendars and come every year. Wouldn’t it be awesome if some of our big name riders who come regularly did some “open barn” or “horse meet and greet” things so the public could cheer them on year after year? Who knows–maybe riders could pick up private sponsorship from the Smith family to cover entry at that event or something. When the rider then goes to Rolex or Badminton, the Smiths can say “that’s MY rider” and share the sport with their friends on social media.

It isn’t hard to draft a quick press release. Maybe adult riders can volunteer to help with spectator parking or serve as “eventing tour guides”–explaining what the rider is doing as he gallops down to the water jump, showing the stabling (let’s face it, that’s where the fun is), introduce them to a horse, etc. Tying it in with a local attraction (go to the winery after XC wraps up) or business (watch the show jumping, then head over to Larry’s Barbecue for an authentic southern lunch) could also help draw people (and businesses, i.e. potential sponsors) in.

Heck, it can be even simpler: invite your own friends. They will bring in money to the vendors, and that makes those vendors more likely to sponsor or participate in the years to come.

We sometimes get stuck in our isolated way of thinking and make our sport seem more exclusive than it is. It isn’t hard to change that.

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Heck, it can be even simpler: invite your own friends. They will bring in money to the vendors, and that makes those vendors more likely to sponsor or participate in the years to come.[/QUOTE]

It’s also of benefit to local businesses to talk up the event. Boosting event attendance could be a tourism draw (long-term) so even if you choose not to have a booth at the event you may get spillover in terms of lodging or meals. In areas that are doing well, this may not be a HUGE draw, but paying customers are paying customers.

It’s not just a matter of hanging up a poster. It’s getting the business owner to understand the event and be willing to say to people “hey did you know that next weekend…?”

This happens naturally when the’res a connection to someone who events, or already knows the sport (eg, a restaurant owner I know who had a waitress one year who competed at Millbrook). Since then, she’s been someone who will mention the event to people who come through. This is in a town that’s, hmmm… at least 25 miles away. Meanwhile, the deli at the bottom of the hill (so, maybe 8 miles away) was oblivious to the event (when I competed last year).

Generating word of mouth would be awesome, with the reminder “hey, no admission fees.”

The future of eventing doesn’t depend on spectators, it depends on participants.

The focus needs to be on xc if you want to draw people that are not horse people. We go to rolex every year and stay with friends. Rolex is the only horse thing they do. We only go on xc day. They loved it the first time they saw it and love it every year.

Face dressage is boring for almost anyone and stadium is only of interest for the most dievhard people.

Xc is really set up for good television. Think golf. Constantly moving from rider to rider.

Another thing that would make the day more enjoyable would be having food trucks spread around the xc course. Better food that is more accesible. Plus the benefit of having the food truck owners pushing the event whereever they go.

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The future of eventing doesn’t depend on spectators, it depends on participants.[/QUOTE]

Isn’t participation increasing? (Serious question - I thought the sport was growing.)

I think public support is a good thing, though. It can help create/support destination venues. Or, as is the case with Jersey Fresh, help an event to turn a profit. Scuttlebutt is, if no profit this year, no Jersey Fresh next year…

http://eventingnation.com/home/share-your-alternative-on-the-feis-proposed-changes/

Comments from Dom Schramm.

When you talk about the future of eventing you have to seperate the professional upper levels from the normal ht lower levels.

For the professional upper levels, you are only going to ever have a few hundred possible riders. So that sport is going to rely on spectators and sponsors.

The normal ht, is going to rely on participants.

Discussing issues as if the universe of eventing is all one sport is kind of silly. Its likevtrying to apply the issues of major league baseball with little league.

I read thames and kaybee’s posts as something that can help at the local/lower/non CIC level events, too.

Plus, for me, I can see immediate benefits- I feel like I made a positive impact besides sitting in a chair all day at a jump.
Great ideas!

My other thought – design a poster (with a QR code, if possible) that can be downloaded and printed out on 11x17 paper. I would have loved to be able to throw up a few posters for Jersey Fresh at my YMCA and train station. Perhaps even ask some local business owners if they would put them up.

It would require some $ outlay from any volunteers - can’t readily find how much 11x17 color copies would cost at Kinkos or Staples, but 15 copies might run you $10 bucks.

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http://eventingnation.com/home/share-your-alternative-on-the-feis-proposed-changes/

Comments from Dom Schramm.[/QUOTE]

I dislike the rider fitness test idea. Yes riders need to be fit, but riding is a different activity than, for example, jogging, so someone who can ride perfectly fine may actually not be able to jog - I mean, god knows I am nothing like an upper level rider, but the stress of riding is easier on my joints than the stress of jogging by FAR. (For cardio I walk, or if I have a bicycle that is properly adjusted to not annoy my knees, I can cycle, or swim. Just not high impact stuff like jogging.) I don’t want the pool of participants to be reduced because some people can be fit for riding but not fit for the rider ‘fitness test’ activity. (I am also not the only person I know who can ride - and some people ride VERY well indeed and are much closer to being upper level riders than I will ever be - but would have trouble with something like a significant jogging/running segment.)

I am interested to hear other off the wall ideas, though.

There are huge numbers of spectator unfriendly sports that manage to survive quite well. Mountain biking? Olympic sports? Curling, shooting, archery, biathlon. Equestrian has already got a huge start on those.

If your events are a sell out, why would you think you need to change things?
The modern day Olympics are, as JER says, so corrupted by BIG and all that entails, that changing things to make them bigger, just leads to more corruption–and God know, the FEI already looked corrupt enough, at least in endurance when Haya was in charge.

I still vote for getting rid of team competition and just having individual.

The thing with Doms post and the changes wanted by the FEI is that they are all geared towards making Eventing sustainable for PROS. Like JER said participants will keep eventing alive. Not sponsors. Not PROS. Sorry, but we don’t NEED professionals to keep our sport alive. In fact, some might argue that the more the sport has become about the BNRS and sponsors the worse it has become.

No one needs to make the sport sustainable to make a living from. We need to make the sport accessible and SAFE for participants. Amateurs are the bread and butter of eventing, can we not for once listen to some of their wants/needs?