FEI looks at sweeping changes in Eventing

I posted this in the comments section, gave the FEI feedback, and am posting an edited version here as well:

I agree with some of these and disagree with others. I agree fully that it is NOT ACCEPTABLE to have rider deaths. This MUST change and we need to pursue this goal aggressively.

I agree we need to have conversation if only to pursue the above goal aggressively, and I agree we need to think outside the box.

I agree that we need to have faith in our governing bodies (and officials) and that we need to find ways to attract more sponsors and spectators. I agree that riders need to use their personalities and GET OUT THERE. Dom is one of the better ones at this. People need to feel the desire to cheer for particular riders rather than watch a bunch of anonymous blurs on “brown” horses run by.

I also agree that we need more sponsorship dollars, both for particular riders and for events, but I disagree that these come from TV. If 6 local businesses support an event, that can add up. These can be the local diner, a coffee shop, a grocery store, a quickie-mart, a hotel, the hardware store, and the tack store. These businesses benefit from the appearance of hundreds of riders and benefit even more if there are spectators who patronize their businesses. They can also supply the spectators. When the diner waitress mentions to locals that there is an event worth watching going on, people might attend. If Jimmy Smith cheers for Dom once a year at his local event and talks with him in the stabling area each time, he might kick down a small sponsorship–the entry to that particular event, for example, so he can cheer on “his” rider. Then Jimmy Smith brings his friends to watch “his” rider, and the next thing you know, they have a syndicate or are buying him things at the trade fair. Those things can add up as well.

We are actually pretty spectator friendly when we do it right. See my earlier posts.

I dislike the idea of rider fitness not because I am not fit (I run–or rather, I try), but because it is a barrier to participation. How many of our BN riders are older or less fit? How many of us are fit in terms of strength and doing cardio, but not fast or able to do certain types of activities? If I had wanted to be a runner, I would have taken up running sports. I can be a plenty fit enough rider, but I am no runner, and it seems unfair to have scores affected by those who are natural runners. Now, making it like a vet jog–some vague baseline of “soundness”–is different. However, if our goal is including people, this is not the way to do it.

I also disagree with the need for prize money. Funny, tons of people did the sport before the prize money and continue to do so. A few prizes are great, but prize money gears the sport ever more toward pros and might make riders make decisions differently–it’s easier to give up on a $0.50 ribbon than a 10K prize. Furthermore, where is that money coming from? Could it be used elsewhere or to make the event cheaper to enter in the first place?

Entry fees have gotten more expensive as we have demanded fancier events. The $95 entry fee went the way of the dodo because we became too good to jump tires and demanded carved squirrels and flowers. (That’s fine for Rolex, but the BN-T HT should be simple and cheap to put on). We became a sport of pros and are moving ever more into hunter land. This isn’t necessary. A full time dentist won individual gold the '08 Games. Don’t misunderstand–our sport needs pros, too. However, building a sport AROUND the needs of the pros is counterproductive.

I also agree that we need to keep an eye on what our sport is, was, and could be. To that end, here’s a crazy idea: Give up on the Olympics. Seriously. Heck, maybe even ditch the FEI and start our own group, either nationally or domestically.

The TV approach to gain audiences is really interesting. In Canada, Spruce Meadows grand prix jumping is often aired each summer during the season. Usually just with the bigger events, but Rolex isn’t. How is it that show jumping is a sustainable TV program? Honestly, I get bored watching it, but it’s been on for years and years. Is it money?

Spruce Meadows produces much of that content themselves, I believe, and they are marketing geniuses.

Also, the bigger productions air on CBC, which is the national public broadcaster. I’m sure that they need a certain amount of Canadian content, as well as sports content, to fill their quotas, and if Spruce Meadows does a good job of marketing themselves towards that, I’m sure it’s a win-win for everyone.

Spruce has huge sponsors - CN, and all those Oil giants. Showjumping has so much money. I’m sure the sponsors pay for the air time. Rolex is aired on the Rural channel, on FEI TV. The rural channel is amazing, for anyone in CANADA. Lots of horse stuff on, every day. FEI TV, John Lyons, Clinton Anderson, Monty Roberts, dressage, showjumping…

[QUOTE=vineyridge;8108733]
There are huge numbers of spectator unfriendly sports that manage to survive quite well. Mountain biking? Olympic sports? Curling, shooting, archery, biathlon. Equestrian has already got a huge start on those.[/QUOTE]

Most of the sports you named are thriving and booming, at least outside of the US. Curling is popular on every level in Canada. Shooting is not very appealing to spectators, but NRA and ISSF have strong participant numbers. Archery in the USA is a textbook case of how to grow a sport. Under the leadership of Denise Parker, the US has become an international power, the grassroots are exploding as are budgets, sponsorships and opportunities. Biathlon is huge in Europe, with TV contracts and good timeslots.

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Most of the sports you named are thriving and booming, at least outside of the US. Curling is popular on every level in Canada. Shooting is not very appealing to spectators, but NRA and ISSF have strong participant numbers. Archery in the USA is a textbook case of how to grow a sport. Under the leadership of Denise Parker, the US has become an international power, the grassroots are exploding as are budgets, sponsorships and opportunities. Biathlon is huge in Europe, with TV contracts and good timeslots.[/QUOTE]

Is part of the issue, though, the cost to conduct an event?

Not that you don’t need officials and judges and volunteers for these other sports, but the “playing field,” so to to speak, is not something that needs to be dedicated to a specific sport, except maybe mountain biking & car racing (and shooting? No idea what is required for spectator safety). Most other sports can make use of existing facilities that can play host to other sports.

In addition to creating and maintaining cross-country courses, there’s also the officials expenses (CD/TD/various judges). Also, aside from racing cars, most other sports aren’t quite as expensive on the participants, what with the need to lug thousand-pound animals around.

I agree with the point about “there needs to be prize money,” though. There doesn’t need to be prize money. Prize money only makes it that much more difficult for an event to break even, let alone make money.

In case anyone is interested in reading about an Olympic sport with zero money in it, at least in North America:

Modern pentathlon and how it became an ‘orphaned sport’

(For those who choose to read, be aware that the USA Pentathlon person who is quoted in the article is exponentially inflating numbers. There are not a ‘few thousand’ pentathletes in the US. A more accurate, yet still very generous, figure, would be ‘less than a hundred’. Some people just like hyperbole. :))

I’m not really sure what your point is here. Do you think Eventing will whither and die if it is not in the Olympics? Right now, the FEI and the Olympics are slowly chipping away at the soul of eventing.

What most needs to change is that rider and horse deaths need to stop. The sport is completely sustainable if they stop and completely unsustainable if they don’t.

No one wants to go to a sporting event and watch the participants die. Everyone wants to watch horses and riders jump around cross country and go home ready to contest another day.

I don’t see any of these proposed changes addressing this most important point in any concrete way.

Has anyone submitted ideas here? http://eventingriders.com/2015/04/fei-sports-forum-2015/ Paul Tapner posted a comment on Dom Schramm’s Facebook page with this link, strongly urging everyone to get involved and submit ideas.

It is only 10 days till the FEI hold their 2015 Sports Forum, where the 2015 FEI Eventing Future document will be considered. You don’t have to be an FEI rider to submit comments. Yes the FEI riders will of course submit suggestions that will align with their own vision of the sport, not necessarily those that are for the “greater good” and the low level amateurs. I would like to think that the elite FEI riders and low level amateurs have some common beliefs and thoughts on this (horse and rider safety being one of them) and it is inevitable that whatever changes are instigated will flow through to all levels of the sport.

I am happy to see, in the last few months, more and more elite riders speaking out and encouraging others to do so. This is positive! There have been some great posts on the future and safety of eventing on this forum, with some seriously good ideas. I hope people will submit these on the link above, even if they have felt overlooked and ignored in the past. Times are a changing… I hope. :slight_smile:

FWIW, I’ve watched the same debate a few times in a few different sports, and “let’s completely reinvent the sport (or just dress like we’re in a porno) in order to make it more palatable for television and make the IOC happy”, “umm, what? when do we just tell the IOC to get stuffed and stick to our own Worlds?” is a pretty common conversation. The Olympic Games still have a cachet, and a lot of people see them as publicity that keeps people (and government money) coming into the sport, but I don’t buy it for participant-centered sports. (Personally, if I could have a shot at Badminton or the Olympics, zero question I’m heading for Badminton. I was addicted to the Olympics as a kid, but somewhere along the way with all the corruption and stupidity it died.)

A lot of my non-horse sport background is in sailing, and I know a lot of high-level sailors (who I’m good enough to race against, though I comparatively suck), but while they have taken and will take a shot at Olympic Games slots, the Worlds are what you’re training for over the long haul. (It’s even worse in sailing vs the IOC, because from event to event they screw around with which classes are in and out.)

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I mean, when was the last time – or the first time – that anyone called you on Saturday morning and said ‘Let’s go luge.’[/QUOTE]

Does email count? If (and that there is one giant honking great big “if”) you are near facilities for it, they pretty much all run some kind of recreational “come and try it” program. (Verizon was also running a portable luge course at ski areas a while back as a promo for both them and the sport; not sure if it’s still around.)

I left feedback. I am sure everyone is shocked. :smiley:

Double post!

Thank you, JER. I concur. :smiley:

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Eventing needs to show some leadership and foresight and extricate itself from the sinking ship of the Olympics.

The IOC is struggling to survive and remain relevant, but the truth is, in any just world, the IOC would be humanely destroyed. The IOC is a bastion of corruption and self-enrichment schemes, and the general public is catching on. The Olympic Games are unequivocally a boondoggle and huge drain of resources on the nation and local community that hosts the games. This is not news – it has been known since the early 1970s, when the citizens of Denver rejected the Games that had been awarded to the city. For those of you who are not familiar with this history, the Guardian ran an excellent piece on it last week: When Denver rejected the Olympics in favor of the environment and economics.

Since then, we’ve seen all kinds of disasters associated with hosting the Olympics. There was the Montreal financial debacle, the Salt Lake City bribing scandal, the unconscionable costs of Beijing and Sochi, the white elephants of disused billion-dollar buildings that make up an Olympic ‘legacy’. We’ve seen enough. It’s not pretty. Stop the effing bleeding already.

Right now, the IOC is in a bit of a pickle. No one wants to host the 2022 winter Olympics. Well, not exactly ‘no one’ – the two hopeful hosts are Almaty, in the kleptocracy known as Khazakstan, and then the winter sports hotspot known as Beijing. Seriously. The IOC is trying to bribe more savory locales (like Switzerland) but is finding little enthusiasm.

Why is this all relevant to eventing? Because the IOC is fighting to stay alive and corrupt, they’re trying to make deals with potential hosts. One upshot from the 2022 no-bids issue is that the IOC is now willing to let hosts axe certain sports or entire disciplines so that they don’t have to build the facilities. First up in the guillotine are the various ‘sledding’ sports: luge, bobsled, skeleton. The track is a huge expense and unlikely to be used again. None of these sports have any grassroots or public participation whatsoever. (I mean, when was the last time – or the first time – that anyone called you on Saturday morning and said ‘Let’s go luge.’) The IOC knows this, and no longer requires a track as part of a bid.

Recently, I was talking to the coach of the most successful women’s skeleton program (their top two girls came from eventing :)), and he said that sliding sports know their days in the Olympics are numbered. It’s a matter of when, not if.

I think the same is probably true of eventing, and this ‘equestrathlon’ nonsense makes it all the more probable. The answer for eventing, is not to turn the sport into this silly pageant for the dignitaries and criminals and corporate enablers of the IOC. It’s to get the hell out now.

The real reason sport orgs turn themselves inside out trying to please the IOC is because most sport orgs are presided over by people who are trying to get into the IOC. These are political animals of questionable morals who want to get into the IOC to get their piece of the real prizes on offer. Some are outright criminals, too. I can think of one sport in which the president of the IGB is a man with a criminal record who is extremely rich. His goal is to be an IOC member, but his criminal record is something that even that lot can’t overlook. He’s a lovely guy in person, enough to make you forget the criminal part, but what you can’t forget is that he’s using the sport as a means to achieve a goal that has nothing to do with the sport or the good of the sport.

Eventing doesn’t need the Olympics. I suspect if the FEI said ‘we want out’, the IOC would come crawling back, because the worst thing that could happen to them is a domino effect of sports realizing they don’t need to kowtow to this outdated consortium of corruption.[/QUOTE]

This is very true, although the proposed changes are “cleverly” disguised as attempts to address safety within our sport.

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What most needs to change is that rider and horse deaths need to stop. The sport is completely sustainable if they stop and completely unsustainable if they don’t.

No one wants to go to a sporting event and watch the participants die. Everyone wants to watch horses and riders jump around cross country and go home ready to contest another day.

I don’t see any of these proposed changes addressing this most important point in any concrete way.[/QUOTE]

I’ve just re-read the FEI proposal document. I may be wrong, but I see a guiding hand whose ultimate goal is the death of the CCI. One of the proposals is to “merge” the CCI and CIC 1* and 2s into a single format. Another is to create a CIC 4, which, as I read it is a separate proposal from the 1.05m “pony” competition that would renumber up all the events. If the CCI only exists as a 3* and 4* competition with the vast majority of lower class competitions having XC last, what are the odds that down the line, the CCI is killed off completely, even though the core principle of the sport, per the FEI, is dressage-XC-SJ, with the second jog being important for horse and rider safety. What would be the justification for a different sport at the 1* and 2* level?

What I don’t understand is if that is the case, the FEI allows CICs to do without the second jog and put XC last. There’s a disconnect between the “core” principles and the “new” practices–all of which are post 2002.

As to the 3* Team Championships with 4* for Individuals, one supposes that the course designer would design a single course with alternative routes at the true 4* fences and would adjust the Team time accordingly.

The proposal document isn’t a unified whole. It looks to me as if there are proposals from various sources that have been thrown out for discussion. There doesn’t seem to be a unified vision behind them with data to support any of the change proposals.

I think in responding each proposal needs to treated separately on its own merits.

I see exactly the same and said as much in my feedback to the FEI. The change of penalties to 10 moves us in the same direction. I see our sport at the FEI becoming the home of rejected jumpers, a sad conglomeration of less than top dressage, less than top jumpers, and some weird shadow of what we used to call XC.

I wish this were more toward the death of the CIC rather than the death of the CCI. Is there anyway to see it as the former? Note: uninformed, coffee-deprived statement here.

Eventing will have to decide if the sport as it exists today is worth gutting so that 60 of its participants can take place in a spectacle for 3 days every 4 years.

I am having trouble understanding the *** for teams v. the **** for individuals. Won’t every country want their best horse/rider combinations to be on their Olympic team? That assigns the top pairs to the *** competition, leaving the next level of competitors to perform over the more difficult **** course.

And, having each team run x/c in succession?!? So one team gets to run first, with good footing, which an unlucky team members all have to ride at the end of the day, with cut up/poor footing? What does this change even accomplish?

One way to simplify things would be to eliminate the whole team concept. Eventing is not a team sport and to make it so, is so artificial. Just take the top 75 horse and rider pairs regardless of country.

In regards to WEG, it’s too big and cumbersome, just like the OLympics. Just hold your own championships.