FEI Name change charges

[pcwertb]

Quixotic,

I think your reply is pretty rude as a response to the thoughtful comments above. Certainly no one here is suggesting that name changes on horses in Europe, who have had prefixes added, shouldn’t be paying the fee.

And I AM a breeder, who wants my horses shown under my prefix, and duly register them with the USEF the year they are born. I like that the FEI is discouraging a name change, but who is discouraged? Certainly NOT the sponsors or big farms that source horses, they simply pay the 1K and go on.

[LovesHorses]

Call me crazy…if you are showing at the FEI levels, at least in the jumpers, $1,000, is a small price to pay in the grand scheme of things. Most of those horses costs $$$$$$$$$$$ plus training, shows, travel, etc.

Also, the FEI via USEF with add or remove a prefix at no charge. You just need to send them a letter. Ask me how I know…

[Wits_End_Eventing]

[QUOTE=RyTimMick;8566494]

Breeders have the right to have their name on the animal they bred. For those who think breeders should get FEI passports on all of their horses you are being ridiculous. With the expectation to pay next to nothing for our horses to begin with, I suppose it would expected that buyers would be willing to pay additional money so that the horse came with a FEI passport. Get real people.

As a breeder, and sport horse owner, this is a fair rule. For those businesses that buy horses and re-sell them, pony up the funds if your want your name to override the breeders.

Tim[/QUOTE]

^^^^^THIS, and ^^^^^^THIS, and ^^^^^THIS. OH. and did I mention ^^^^^THIS

[RunningwaterWBs]

Can anyone tell me if the rule is retroactive?

This year, I’m leasing a mare for breeding to whom the prefix RF was added just before import a few years ago (a suffix, ‘3’, was dropped at this time; I’ve since learned this is an arbitrary way the registry settles multiple requests for the same name and not a breeder designation). The RF name – RF Carmelina – is what’s on her passport. Her papers have a piece of tape over her original name (Carmelina 3) with the new prefix added.

With the prefix, a google search finds a few low-level dressage results in the US. Without it, a search yields congratulations for her Bundeschampionat qualification in eventing at age 5, her BuCha results (11th place), as well as videos and photos of her in competition in Europe.

My questions: does FEI require me to change her name back? Would YOU change her name back? Her owner and I had discussed this and had decided to change it back, but that was only weeks before the FEI announcement about the cost. Ironically, the reason for wanting the change is to make it easier for any prospective purchaser of her foals to find her sport record in Europe.

She does not appear in Horsetelex but five of her full siblings, including an Olympic event horse and two stallions (Contester I and II) do. Is it possible to enter both names in Horsetelex? Do I have to pay $1k to use her original name anywhere?

[RyTimMick]

Kendra,

You can add additional names in Horsetelex but the name associated with her Reg# should be the one everything is listed under. You can add her yourself, just input her Reg# and her show results.

Tim

[RunningwaterWBs]

Thanks, Tim.

[vineyridge]

Is this her FEI passport? Or one from Germany? If it’s the FEI passport, then RF is probably grandfathered in. If she has only the German passport, she’ll go back to her Birth Name when she does get an FEI passport. This is the prime example of why the FEI is requiring birth names, so her history doesn’t get lost.

I just checked the FEI Database and she does have an FEI passport under the name RF Carmelina with no results. If you want to change it back, the FEI will probably do it for free.

Personally, I’d want to have her birth name without the RF.

[RunningwaterWBs]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;8605327]
Is this her FEI passport? Or one from Germany? If it’s the FEI passport, then RF is probably grandfathered in. If she has only the German passport, she’ll go back to her Birth Name when she does get an FEI passport. This is the prime example of why the FEI is requiring birth names, so her history doesn’t get lost.

I just checked the FEI Database and she does have an FEI passport under the name RF Carmelina with no results. If you want to change it back, the FEI will probably do it for free.

Personally, I’d want to have her birth name without the RF.[/QUOTE]

Good point! I believe it’s just a German passport. I totally agree, both about wanting her birth name and that this is a prime example of WHY the new rule is so important. It will be interesting to see what the AHHA says about this at inspection this summer.

[RyTimMick]

[QUOTE=RunningwaterWBs;8605388]
It will be interesting to see what the AHHA says about this at inspection this summer.[/QUOTE]

As a former Director of AHHA, I can probably answer a question for you. What in particular are you wanting to know. As of right now, the Registered name is the name that is used for the Life Time recording number with USEF. This would be the name used for the FEI passport.

Tim

[RunningwaterWBs]

[QUOTE=RyTimMick;8605482]
As a former Director of AHHA, I can probably answer a question for you. What in particular are you wanting to know. As of right now, the Registered name is the name that is used for the Life Time recording number with USEF. This would be the name used for the FEI passport.

Tim[/QUOTE]
If it’s just a German passport (not an FEI passport), can I change her name back to her original registered name? Her German lifenumber is the same, but the AHHA can find no BuCha sport record for her and now I’m in the position of proving it, thanks to the name change. I’m unsure of how the AHHA works, but it seemed at one point in the conversation with the woman in the office that the BuCha result might give the mare some kind of automatic sport predicate. It doesn’t really matter to me if I have to say the mare’s name is ____ and that she’s also known as ____; my real issue is the seeming ‘loss’ of the European results – or at least the way the new name complicates connecting her to them. Proof of those results, IMHO, really helps her value as a broodmare.

[vineyridge]

It appears that the FEI may be backtracking on this. In the minutes of today’s meeting of the FEI Bureau, they have agreed to ask NFs for feedback on Name Change Charges.

The Bureau agreed that the FEI should ask National Federations to submit proposals on horse name/prefix charges and that the FEI, together with the National Federations, will fine tune the proposals before they are presented for approval at the FEI General Assembly

[HyperionStudLLC]

Latest… FEI has sent name change rules back to the drawing board

[RyTimMick]

Hi Kendra,

The FN allows both a registered name and a competition name. AHHA should be using her registered name, but they follow the information given. The German passport should reflect her registered name. If you give me her Lebensnummer from her passport on a PM I can look the info up on the FN website. It will reflect her record. The sport accomplishment would help her if her bonits were not high enough to be in the upper books. I can screen shot it, and pass it on to the office.

Tim

[RunningwaterWBs]

pm sent!