Female Saddle Fit - may be NSFW?

Hey guys! Long time poster, made an alter because I don’t love this topic. But figured I really should be exhausting all my options at this point.

For years (like 20 of them) I have ridden in saddles belonging to other people (jump saddles, flat saddles, all sizes, everything from a cheap school horse saddle to Voltaire). The rub (literally): I can’t remember ever doing a dressage school or even going for a long hack without being in pain afterwards. Some of this was solved by underwear choice - avoiding seams that fell where my pelvis met my leg solved half the problem. But the rest of the problem is just from contact with the pommel. I have now had a saddle professionally fitted to me, so I know it is the correct size, and it noticeably allows me to sit with ease in the way my coach would like, but the problem persists even in this saddle (and all that I tried during the fitting process).

To describe it accurately while trying to keep things G-rated: when I am riding there is simply pressure. Perhaps more than I would like, but short of sitting in a way in which I have no contact whatsoever with the pommel (obviously incorrect), I can’t see a way of avoiding this. However, having a shower when I get home or whatever ends up feeling similar to washing your hands with a paper cut, just obviously in a different region. I think I’ve finally got to the point where I have to ask - is this everyone’s experience??

To try to answer the questions I know I would ask, I train with a reputable coach. As with anyone, I’m learning lots to this day, and over the years have made position adjustments to better my riding (to favourable reviews from both my coach and dressage judges), but no adjustment has ever made this problem substantially better or worse. I am well aware that the default reaction will be that I am sitting incorrectly - while I am sure I need minor improvements, as always, I find it hard to believe I could have had this many eyes on me over the years and still have a flaw major enough to change this (but who knows?). I am now riding in a saddle fitted by a professional specifically for me, and in some ways it’s amazing - my leg has never hung this well from my hip, that kind of thing. But again, this problem was no better or worse no matter which saddle I tried. I have gone through many different makes/models of breeches, it makes no difference. I work with no stirrups on a regular basis, and while this has yielded many benefits, none in this area. Is this the kind of thing where you just suck it up?

For those who find this topic too overt, I do apologize. But at this point I’ll try anything.

It’s definitely not everyone’s experience, but I do think people’s confirmation can be as different as horses’. I had a friend who struggled with this and the only thing that worked for her was riding in a synthetic saddle. Have you tried a saddle seat cover like the Thinline one? You can’t use them in competition but it might be helpful for every day. You can also try shaving (or not shaving) – sometimes that can help. There are also padded underwear options.

And if you do a search, there have definitely been threads on this before, but I have no idea what they were called or what the best search terminology would be.

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Vaseline

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Ive had this problem as well, worse in some saddles then others. Right now it’s actually worse in my jumping saddle then my dressage saddle :confused: ive found saddles with narrower twists are more comfortable in general. And aren’t there saddles with channels cut outs now?

In the past few years I’ve gotten really into bicycling and was getting really badly rubbed/chaffed until I discovered But butter! :slight_smile: it’s a cream that ‘lubes’ the whole area so you don’t chafe and I use that when I ride more then one horse now too. Makes a difference for me!

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If your problem centers around the pommel, consider the Pegasus Butterfly Saddle. This saddle does not have a pommel arch, and the tree is made so it can fit a LARGE variety of horses, and with a good shimmable pad can fit even more horses. Right now, with my Pegasus Butterfly jumping saddle I am riding 5 different horses with different shaped backs and conformation and the horses have never moved better under saddle.

I can get my seat REALLY forward in this saddle because there is no pommel arch for me to run into. I am also finally fixing my tendencies to a chair seat. With this saddle I really recommend wearing silicon full seat breeches, the horses can move their shoulders freely which tends to shift my seat to the weaker side of the horse if I wear regular (non-silicon full seat) breeches.

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Try a different brand of toilet paper. I had a similar issue and it turns out I was allergic to the TP - but it would only be aggravated when I rode! Changed my TP…no more issue.

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OP, you are not alone!

On COTH this is known as the “Inverness” problem (after a screen name, not the Scottish city), and there are pages and pages of advice and solutions.​​

A search for The Inverness Problem should give you some good ideas. And make you laugh.

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Every saddle positions your pelvis a little differently. It truly depends on your own conformation and how the saddle works for you own conformation.

There are saddles out there made for women, but that’s not what I mean. Every saddle just sits you a little differently. Definitely worth looking into. I had a rep once tell me what saddles worked best for my pelvic position and she was bang on, I was impressed.

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Yes, that’s exactly it! I think I must have wonky conformation.

I didn’t know Thinline made a saddle cover, I will look into that. I’ve sucked it up for long enough that if it isolated the issue to competition I’d be over the moon. We’ll see what the traditionalist coach says, but worth a try.

For others who have a similar experience, I do personally find shaving helps, but doesn’t solve the problem entirely.

Do you (or does anyone) have a recommendation for padded underwear that actually works (visually and functionally) under breeches?

I had wondered about trying that. Am I correct in saying that needs to be an apply-right-before-you-ride kind of thing? I’m guessing if you put it on before you went to the barn it would absorb?

I agree – a narrow twist is definitely better for me, and that’s what’s on my new saddle, but it’s not a total solution. My jump saddle is also worse than my dressage, but fortunately if I’m doing my job I spend more time with my butt out of that saddle than in, so it’s not as big an issue. I will try But Butter! Same question as for Huntin’ Pony – can you apply in advance or a right-before kind of thing?

Thanks for the suggestion! I have found such an incredible balance in my current saddle that I’m reluctant to consider a change, but I’ll keep it in mind!

Fascinating. That, I would never have considered! Do you mind sharing which brand works for you?

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Thank you, Hej! I read that thread a few years ago when desperation began to sink in, but didn’t find anything then that solved it. I will go back and look again! The solidarity helps.

It’s so true. Unfortunately, I was professionally fitted for this one by a very reputable person in my area, but it’s still happened to at least some degree in literally every saddle I’ve ever sat in. Certainly some are worse than others, but any contact seems to irritate me to some extent. Hoping for some magic, I guess…

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Anything BUT Charmin! I steer very clear from the bears ahhaha. Seriously, my ex husband and my bf both always bought it, I don’t know why men love it so much but I had the problem both times…and it was getting so painful recently. Then I checked the TP and low and behold it was the Charmin…so I think I have cottonelle now :slight_smile:

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Gosh, I fell your pain…literally. I too tried everything, the thigh length underwear helped, along with the Monkey Butt stuff bicyclists use, but nothing worked 100%. Unfortunately, what seems to have completely cured this problem is the death of one of my horses 4 years ago, along with the advancement of my current dressage horse up the levels. I can’t say it was a saddle issue, as I ride my youngster in the same brand of dressage saddle I rode the now deceased horse in and no rubs yet. My current medium level dressage horse has an extremely bouncy trot as well as massive withers that requires a banana-shaped saddle with a huge pommel rise and yet not rubs! All I can think is that the horse’s conformation, the rider’s conformation and the saddle, form some kind of evil triad. I really don’t know what to say except that I just recently noticed that I no longer suffer for my sport. :wink:

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Is every saddle you have ever sat in the same size? I am wondering if maybe a slightly larger seat size might help so you can get away from the pommel just a bit more. Say, if your saddle is a 17" then try a 17.5 or even an 18".
(NOT saying your butt is big!!!:D:uhoh::cool:)
I know I have to ride in a narrow twist, so I sold a very comfortable Black Country because I was getting sore ‘there’ too, even though it appeared to fit in every way according to the saddle fitter. The person who bought it loves it and has had no problem. I ended up with a slightly larger seat size and no more ‘ouch’

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Several years ago, I visited my doctor because I thought I must have developed a vaginal infection of some sort. She said no and advised me to buy only toilet paper, laundry soap, and bath soap made for people with sensitive skin, with no perfumes or dyes. It solved my problem.

However, unless you live in the south, my TP brand recommendation won’t help. I use the Publix store brand, which I much prefer over any of the brand name TP I tried. The cheaper, less processed TPs seem to have the fewest additives.

For chafing, I love anti-monkey butt powder.

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While I am thrilled that your issue has resolved itself, I can’t honestly say I will be pursuing that solution! (And I am so sorry for your loss). My horse at the moment does have big movement, but I have noticed this pretty much across the board - not sure I can blame him entirely. I do believe there is some perfect storm going on for sure!

Good to know about the Monkey Butt. Others have recommended Vaseline or But Butter - those two seem to lubricate, while Monkey Butt looks like it dries. Is that correct? What makes Monkey Butt work differently than baby powder, for instance? (Not that I would necessarily use baby powder in that area, but it’s a product I know so it’s good for purposes of comparison). Which underwear helped for you?