Fencing - Drive Posts or Concrete In Posts

Hi all,

The husband and I are doing research before we put in an arena. We are currently leaning towards a 4 strand centaur fence for our 100’ X 175’ riding arena, but we have to decide if we want to drive or concrete in the posts. We live in Tijeras, NM, and our soil is a combination of clay and sand. We want to go with the option that will last the longest as we don’t want to redo. Any suggestions/recommendations? I’m a little concerned about the concreting as we have several bids that have different amounts/methods for it. Also pressure treated pine or cedar posts?

Oak or locust posts would be the preferred in my area. Driven posts bl concrete other than for corners and gates.

If you decide to concrete them in, know that if you ever want to install a gate, or if a post needs replacing… it will be a lot of work. My fences are almost 20 years old and I am about to replace them all… Florida is hard on fencing. I cannot imagine the size holes if the posts were cemented in. (OK, I will admit, the fence was not painted or PT because I was not able to afford that option. and I am just tired of replacing the fence board by board as they break!!)

Might want to exchange title word 'of ’ with ‘to’. I thought you were talking about concrete posts! Those concrete posts last forever and I wanted to know how you were doing them!! Locally we still have farms with concrete/cement posts and rails over 60 years old, still in useful, great shape.

I would not use cement to set my posts, it does not make them last longer. Not sure of your soil, dry, wet, rocky or stone underneath, which makes putting up fence very difficult. We have heavy clay with mostly smaller ( 12") rocks in there. We had the posts pounded in, a big time and labor saver. Posts still solid after many years.

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It was actually supposed to be or not of XD Does change the context a bit doesn’t it. I think our ground is pretty devoid of rock that I can see anyhow, so I’m leaning towards driving them, but the biggest problem is finding either someone to do it for me or a tractor and driver I can rent.

I would absolutely drive vs. concreting them. They’ll last longer and it will be WAY less work for you. The cost may even out anyway if you do not already have cement, mixer, tools, and an auger to drill the holes.

I don’t like cemented posts but you almost can’t get away with not doing so in this area due to the rock. When we lived in the next county over to the west it was a given that fences had nothing to do with the actual property boundary lines. They were just put in pretty much wherever was possible.

We have had good results in this area using cedar posts and packing the holes with gravel. This allows drainage away from the bottom of the post and also will not make you cry if you ever have to dig it up.

I don’t have much experience with driving posts - can someone tell me the process of doing that?

Pretty much what it sounds like–a piece of equipment that hammers the posts into the ground. Creates a very solid, stable post.

Here’s a video.

https://youtu.be/bFb-_-bd394

I asked about post pounding, but one guy seemed to have no idea what I was talking about, and the other told me they don’t make machines to pound a 4" wooden post. …I’m pretty sure I’m not stupid and I know I’ve seen this done before…

The other guy is just plain wrong. They make machines that will drive up to 12" posts. They are quite expensive and use either air or hydraulic pressure.

Liar liar pants on fire :lol::lol: Yeah, there’s equipment that can do that.

It IS super regional, though. Maybe you don’t have the kind of soil that allows pounded posts?

Maybe it is the ground? I know nothing about the west. If your ground is sandy, concrete makes more sense. Centaur has a very high tensioning strength.

here I have clay, and concrete only makes sense for brace posts/corners (I have 3 strand Centaur HTP). For what it is worth, I drove in 6 inch rounds with just me, my dad, and a post driver hooked to my little 32 HP John Deere. My dad modified the hitch with his welder so it would fit. It was like riding a bucking bronco all day but we got it done. I was sore for a week from standing on the brake as those machines pound hard and each stroke popped my tractor around.

Here is a post pounder that rents for $300 a weekend and will pound up to 9" posts in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6hD1vS3JAk

We have the baby of those that pounds up to 3".
We use steel pipe for posts, 2 7/8".
Ours is much smaller, bolts to the side of the tractor bucket.

We have occasionally sandy spots in our clay soil, but it is mostly clay. I’m pretty sure HE just doesn’t have one and doesn’t want to lose business by admitting it.

I have 6" wooden posts that were pounded in.

Our fence installer put in 8" posts for corners, using the pounder device. It attached to the rear of his JD tractor. I also specified using double bracing posts for those corners and gate posts, so we never did use any cement. Fence is high tensile with 8 strands, so it is under a lot of strain, but no moved or loosened posts. Sometimes the wire gets even more stressed with coating of ice and high winds, like last week. Those corner posts handle the load.

We have seen poorly, improperly installed high tensile, only one brace at the corners and gates, which did come up, loosen with time. Same soil as ours, but they were cutting corners, “saving money”, so it came back to bite them. Another “wrong” they did was only having 3 strands of the high tensile wire, not recommended by the inventor of the system. Had to fix posts later on.

I know folks who just hired fence companies that came in to pound in the posts, then folks installed the wire or boards themselves. I loved hiring the whole job done, no frustration, no arguing. One of our best farm investments, paying the fencing specialists to do the job right!

You might search further afield for fencing contractors. One company was over 80 miles away, while our other one was only about 60 miles away. No one close by did the post pounding option, so we had to use other folks.

I like the idea of 8" posts for corners and just pounding. What is your soil like? Do you think that posts would hold up well in a more moisture retaining soil like clay?