Fitting a snaffle on a western bridle

I currently have a loose ring jointed snaffle on my western bridle, however I want to try an eggbutt french link snaffle for my mare. I was told that there should be 1 wrinkle at the corner of her mouth but from what I was reading it depends. So for an eggbutt snaffle should there be 1 wrinkle or not? I’m still training her right now, she’s basically just used to someone being on her and not turns or moving forward. If there’s another bit for training you recommend let me know.

p.s. The reason I’m thinking of getting the FL is because I heard a lot of horses perfer that to the single jointed bits.

Yes, some horses do prefer a double-jointed mouthpiece and a French link can be a good one. Just be sure you get a French link and not a Dr. Bristol! :slight_smile: (I’m not assuming you don’t know the difference; just sayin’ … since as you probably know the Dr. Bristol is a very harsh mouthpiece in contrast to the French link.)

AFAIK the eggbutt is the same as a loose-ring snaffle as regards the wrinkle/s in the corners of the horse’s lips. That is what I was taught and have always done. Others with more experience may chime in here, hopefully!

I would not use any snaffle bit on a western bridle unless the bridle has a cavesson. With an open bridle (no cavesson), theoretically a horse can pull a ring bit through his mouth. I think a full-cheek/fulmar snaffle might help prevent that from happening; also a full-cheek/fulmar is great for teaching steering. Just a lip strap might help but again, hopefully others will chime in about that. (Now having said all that I did once show western dressage in an open bridle with an eggbutt, but that was with a 20-something BTDT QH – not that he wouldn’t have taken advantage had he been in the mood to. :wink: )

Thanks! Other than for steering, is there any thing better about a full cheek than a eggbutt? The loose ring does get pulled through her mouth when I’m putting it on (she still isn’t done mouthing the bit) but I didn’t know it had anything to do with the cavesson! I heard the Dr.Bristol bit wasn’t good. For a full cheek is there still one wrinkle? Thanks for the help!

I think the wrinkle would be the same for any snaffle, but I don’t know for sure. I was hoping some others would reply to your post too! :slight_smile: You could try a search here on COTH for full-cheek or fulmer snaffle but the Search function doesn’t always work like it should. Oops – I spelled it wrong before, it’s fulmer not fulmar (sorry).

There’s a COTH thread on both here:
https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f…heek-vs-fulmer

I can’t vouch for this site but it looks interesting:
http://thebitguide.com/snaffle/cheek…ulmer-snaffle/

I use a rope halter for the first month or so of riding. You don’t need a bit to teach steering.

Generally on a western bridle you would use a leather strap (curb strap) with a ring snaffle. It is loose so it doesn’t put pressure on and of course there is no curb action since it’s a snaffle but it keeps the bit from pulling through the horse’s mouth. So you would use it with the loose ring, eggbutt, or full cheek. It’s a great safety measure if you ever need to do an emergency one rein stop. You definitely don’t want that bit pulling through in an emergency!! :eek:

I prefer an eggbutt myself because it doesn’t pinch the corners of the mouth like a loose ring can possibly do. I also like a Myler Comfort Snaffle. I have so far not found a horse that doesn’t like it. I had a French link on my Arab gelding, which he seemed to like, but tried a Myler and he liked it even better. I now use it on both my QHs. One is a full cheek because the gelding needed a little help with steering.

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I tend to fit my bits looser than most. I usually don’t have a wrinkle at all. It’s kind of personal preferance and horse preference.

I’m a bit confused by your wording. Do you mean the bit is getting pulled through her mouth when you are riding?

Matter of personal preference. The one wrinkle doesn’t always universally work, even on the aenglish side, especially when you are not riding with constant contact. Most Western prefer a little looser on the theory the horse will pick up the snaffle bit to where it sits most comfortably in their mouths. That really doesn’t work well with the bits with more then a single joint though, always found those needed a snugger fit or the horse would fool with them too much or keep trying to spit the bit out.

If you are pulling the bit through his mouth in anything other then a full out one rein panic stop? You need to go back basics, you’ve got more work to do. IME a noseband of any kind short of a crank won’t stop a bit from getting pulled through the horses mouth if you pull hard enough. If you have to pull that hard? You gotta solve that in some way besides trying to tie the mouth closed.

I usually used a custom loose ring, single joint, thinner copper laced blue steel mouthpiece. Hung one hole below the wrinkle. I used that on my show Hunter too for trail riding. Mouth was between 4 3/4 and 5". Fit QHs, part Ayrab and two TBs,

I also preferred a hand crafted pencil bosal on seperate head stall on the Western horses for schooling and trail riding. Very technical reason here, lots of complicate theory involved but I will try to explain… I used it cause it looked really cool.

Didnt need any noseband anyway.

Will say that many stock horse type horses have a very short muzzle and narrow, shallow mouth, it’s very common in QHs, sometimes see it in TBs too. I see waaaay too many bits that are too wide and the mouthpiece too thick for the way the horses mouth is built. Measure how wide the horses mouth is before sticking a bit in it…hint…take a piece of string, slide it into the mouth where the bit sits, remove and measure where it’s wet. Most unscientific but it can tell you where to start looking. Off the rack bits in most tack stores on the English side tend to be 5-51/2 to 6". Be careful you buy the right fit for the horse you have, solve many common problems.
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The number of wrinkles you see with a properly fitted snaffle (or curb, for that matter) is related to the horse’s conformation, not the type of mouthpiece. You want to adjust the bit so that it sits comfortably on the bars of the mouth. For some horses, that may leave several wrinkles in the corner of the mouth; for others, there may be only one small wrinkle.

I agree with @findeight that, if you are pulling the bit through the horse’s mouth in any non-emergency situation, you have a problem! Other than an “oh crap!” moment, it really shouldn’t happen. A properly adjusted curb strap can help in those times, as does using a bit with a larger eggbutt or D-ring type ring style.

Personally, I would never use a full cheek bit on a Western bridle (and it’s my favorite snaffle for my hunter horses - I think it looks very attractive on a horse with a refined head). A full cheek bit is designed to be used with keepers, and most Western headstalls can’t accommodate those. In the interest of both safety and function, I prefer an eggbutt or D-ring snaffle to a full cheek on Western horses.

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I’m sorry I didn’t specify, I DON’T pull that hard on her. I’ve only put the bit in her mouth 2 times and I haven’t rode in it because, she still keeps mouthing it when I put it in her mouth so after she quits mouthing the bit I will ride her in it. I was saying the bit goes through her mouth when she plays with it. So if I shouldn’t use the full cheek, would the D ring or eggbutt be better for helping her turn, stop, etc?

If you’ve only had a bit in her mouth 2 times, I guess I would not be worried about what type of snaffle to use on her. Sounds like she just needs time and training - period. They are going to fiddle with it for at least a few days while they are learning what it is all about.

You are going to teach them to turn and stop through TRAINING … not the bit. So it really doesn’t matter if you use a D-ring or O-ring or full cheek, etc.

My personal preference is this snaffle. I personally like double jointed mouthpieces and it has a nice weight and feel to it.

You can use a bit hobble (which is basically a curb strap) in front of the reins on the bit, to help keep the bit from being pulled through the mouth in the event of a one rein stop.

You can research the differences in full cheek, D-ring, O-ring, etc, but it comes down to horse’s preference and training. For example, an O-ring or loose ring is supposed to be helpful with horses that like to lean on the bit. The full cheek offers a bit more help with steering. But really, it comes down to training. Oh, eggbutts seem to be thicker, and some horse’s mouths don’t accommodate thicker bits that well. You might have better luck with something not so thick.

As far as wrinkles go, I try to have none. Sometimes the horse’s conformation or preference dictate that you have a wrinkle, but I prefer none if possible. As Buck Brannaman says, if you have a wrinkle or two, that means there is already that much pressure there. Pressure the horse is forced to learn to ignore. Ideally you would be able to cue your horse with that small amount, so why ruin it right off the bat?

I don’t think there will be much difference between a D-ring or eggbutt in helping with steering, and no difference between any of them with regards to stopping. The stop needs to come from your seat, not so much as the bit. If you want more to consider, some horses really like a double joint with a lozenge center, vs a French link. At this point in training, you can probably use whatever the horse is fine with…it’s really not going to make much difference.

Why you should not use a full cheek without keepers. Or at all if you ride Western.

The long prong like sidepiece above the mouthpiece can catch on things, like a stirrup, your clothing, stick off a bush trail riding or some bit of tack on another horse. The keepers aren’t like keepers on other bridles , they go from the top side piece of the bit to the cheek piece on the headstall to prevent anything from slipping over the top and getting stuck or getting hung up on something.

This is not some bogey man story to scare you or one in a million chance at catastrophe. It happens. My worst experience was trying to catch a hunt seat Pony, young rider was leading it, didn’t know nuthin bout no keepers. As kid entered the arena, she pulled her irons down and turned back to close gate, Pony went for fly on its belly. Top of full cheek caught on iron, hung up, Pony could not pull head around, panicked, tried to bolt but spun around and around, right over top of kid. Eventually it fell over spinning, otherwise we never would have caught it. That did not need to happen. Yet seen it other times, just didn’t need to catch it. Also seen it catch on somebody else’s iron or stirrup, one case a breast collar when the two horses were sniffing each other. Totally avoidable.

If riding Western in one without keepers? You do realize you generally will have slackin the reins and horse can shake its head and get the reins caught over the top of the side piece? You have to get off to flip it back and have no brakes or steering until you do. It’s not a very good choice unless you rig some kind of keeper, they don’t make them for Western headstalls.

I have read a theory that a flat sided snaffle helps with steering? And it does, when riding on contact applying the direct rein, the flat side of the bit on the opposite side is pulled against the opposite side of the mouth. But Western horses aren’t ridden with constant contact and direct rein is not a preferred choice. The goal us not needing two hands on the rein. Even English horses depend more on leg and seat then an active direct rein…the flat sided bits like dees are fashionable, accent the head on bulkier WBs, not really functional as far as needing more steering goes. Full cheeks are seen but not preferred as they indicate horse needs more control steering wise. And they have keepers.

There’s quite a number of so called Western snaffles out there, you can buy a little gadget or stick a curb strap between the rings under the chin or use a piece of baling twine to avoid pull through…and teach the horse to steer and stop with all aids first.

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Okay well I won’t use a full cheek, how about a D ring? I’m not doing show or anything fancy so, I really don’t care about looks. I use a western saddle for trail riding, so I really don’t care about trying to follow how most western people ride. I want to use a gentle bit to teach my horse and I’m trying to figure out what ring type (along with my seat and leg aids) would help her understand and be safe. Looks aren’t a factor but safety is. I’m still not 100 percent sure if I’m going to get another bit, i still have to see how she likes this one, but if I do I want it to be safe and gentle. Thanks to the help!

How is she pulling the bit all the way through her mouth while just standing still? I’m not quite understanding how the bit can be pulled sideways through the horse’s mouth if there is no pressure on the reins.

I’ve seen that though…with bits that are too wide and sitting too lose in the mouth, they get fooling with it and push it around with their tongue trying to spit it out. OP might try the old method of tying a (proper sized) simple ring snaffle to the Halter with baling twine and letting the horse eat, sleep and drink in it. They learn to hold in in their mouths and quit trying to spit it out. If it lives out, wouldn’t recommend it but some time under supervision just wearing it could really help horse get used to it and relax without adding the complications of being ridden it really doesn’t understand much yet.

I dunno, Im not much on dee rigs on smaller headed, shorter muzzled Western horses, they look better on bigger headed and plain old bigger horses… I think a proper plain old ring snaffle looks much better on the Western headstalls too. And there are a million choices of what goes in the mouth between those rings. And you can get pretty fancy rings too if you want to dress it up.

O-ring, D, Western Dee, what’s more important is the mouthpiece. She might prefer a French link, a lozenge, or a type of Myler comfort snaffle. She may not really have a big preference. If you can borrow different types to try, great. Otherwise pick a basic snaffle and stick with it. Try a D ring if you are having issues with your current one pulling through, although that is not something that should be happening regularly.
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http://www.doversaddlery.com/jp-hunter-d-w-oval-mouth/p/X1-010064/
You could try something like that, although it’s not a traditional Western bit. If you don’t care about looks, it’s a gentle bit. But so is the one linked earlier by Beau, and that one is more of a Western bit, I guess (the O-ring that was posted).

Again, the snaffle you start her with really does not matter. Your training (and your hands) is what is going to be “gentle”.

A general single jointed or double jointed smooth mouth snaffle bit (D or O or otherwise) is going to be just fine.

Start working with her with the bit and she won’t have the time to sit there and fiddle with it. Give her something to do while the bit is in her mouth. They’ll get over it. Personally, I do not agree with leaving a bridle on a horse all day to let them “get used to it” mainly due to the safety issue of them getting caught on something.

Don’t worry quite so much about your headgear and focus on the training…and I mean this in the nicest way possible, but if you are this worried about what bit to use (along with not knowing how to adjust it), you are making me question your qualifications on starting a horse from scratch yourself.

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Well, I’ll just keep working with her and figure out what she likes and worry about this later. I don’t think I need a new bit now so I’ll just what and see what she does and does not like. Thanks for all your help!

BTW…I do like that dogbone bit linked too. Not necessarily for OP. But there are several things to like about it. Looks like a blued steel mouth, no single joint that can pinch a shallow mouth/low palate and it has some weight to it. Nice.