WHY!?!? What the heck is wrong with the racing industry!?!?!? :mad::mad::mad:
I am so beyond frustRated by the lack of care exhibited y TPTB, it is APPALING!!! We can shoot them up with steroids, run em on Lasix, nerve thier front legs, but heaven help us if we put a strip on thier nose to open thier airways.
New York needs a reality check!
A bit over-dramatic. :rolleyes:
The reason given for banning them is that there would be certain regulatory problems. For example, to be fair to all bettors it would have to be declared as a piece of equipment and noted in the program (like blinkers, med changes etc). If for some reason the strip came off prior to the race (i.e in the paddock, on the way to the gate as the horse nudges the pony, because of rain etc), then should that horse be then declared ineligible to run and bets refunded?.. after all he is now running without a piece of declared equip.
I can see their argument.
They also said there has been little or no request from trainers to allow their use up until IHA came along, so it wasn’t really an issue they had to address.
I am sorry, but obviously some havent used this particular piece of equipment. As eventers, we use them a ton. This doesnt come off because of rain, brushing against another orse…etc. etc.
Overdramatic…lol. No, I dont think so. I would think an industry that has a pretty bad rap right now would applaud the use of something other then drugs, with a proven track record of helping a horse. Something allowed in ALL FEI events. Obviously the betters are more important then the Horses!?
See, racing is not an organization. Far from it. It is every jurisdiction to itself so you need to know the rules for every jurisdiction you plan to race in. A National governing body would go along way towards stabilizing the industry and making it an organization but we aren’t anywhere near that yet. I personally don’t think they do anything but also don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed either. I don’t think it will make the slightest difference in the outcome of the Belmont stakes one way or another. The sure win maybe but not the silly band aid on his nose.
I thought they were pretty useless the times I tried them, so I don’t see how they can be considered useful equpiment like blinkers. Whatever, I guess. I think most people using them were probably being sponsored.
Every state operates as a separate jurisdiction and gets to make it’s own rules about many elements of racing. For whatever reason, the NYS Racing and Wagering Board has not approved nasal strips for TB competition in NY. The connections of IHA knew this when they nominated the horse to the TC series.
You might want to contact the Racing and Wagering Board to determine what went into the decision. A friend of mine who was a long time assistant trainer (and who is a CoTH member who may show up here after unloading from a horseshow) has told me stories of mis-applied strips at tracks where they are legal.
If he’s good enough he will win and if he’s not his connections will have a built in excuse.
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If he’s good enough he will win and if he’s not his connections will have a built in excuse.[/QUOTE]
Too true. It is never the horse. It is always the jockey, the trainer, the surface, the other jockeys, or, of course, the breathe right!
See the Belmont thread with the in’s and out’s as to why it was declined by the NYRA stewards. The company’s President failed to convince them as to allow it would be something agreeable for the Belmont.
I dont really care if IHA has it on, so much as what it says about the care of horses. If he wins or doesnt win, i highly doubt a flair strip is going to make a huge differance. However, having said that, going cross-country at intermediate, it did. The one time we forgot it, the horse had a harder time getting his resp back to normal, as well as HR. and he was in better shape. Of course, this is over a distance of couple miles.
And, no, we are not sponsored by the company.
I just am appalled at what IS allowed, and something so benign is not!?
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See, racing is not an organization. Far from it. It is every jurisdiction to itself so you need to know the rules for every jurisdiction you plan to race in. A National governing body would go along way towards stabilizing the industry and making it an organization but we aren’t anywhere near that yet. I personally don’t think they do anything but also don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed either. I don’t think it will make the slightest difference in the outcome of the Belmont stakes one way or another. The sure win maybe but not the silly band aid on his nose.[/QUOTE]
I agree witht his post 110% . Especially the bolded.
I agree, they do very little. The horse will run his race with or without a nasal strip. He’s classy like that. Let’s just hope Mario keeps him out of trouble and gets it done.
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I dont really care if IHA has it on, so much as what it says about the care of horses. If he wins or doesnt win, i highly doubt a flair strip is going to make a huge differance. However, having said that, going cross-country at intermediate, it did. The one time we forgot it, the horse had a harder time getting his resp back to normal, as well as HR. and he was in better shape. Of course, this is over a distance of couple miles.
And, no, we are not sponsored by the company.
I just am appalled at what IS allowed, and something so benign is not!?[/QUOTE]
Dee,
How many times have we talked about the different nuances to small details in the horse world?
The issue here isn’t at all about the strip being effective, a lack of care for the horses or anything being the way you have presented it from your point of view.
Here is what’s important to know/take away from this instance:
1.) NY hasn’t allowed Flair strips yet. They also have not had a wide amount of instances of trainers, owners etc requested NYRA to evaluate or change the policy. It doesn’t mean it will never happen, but so far it hasn’t been something that the existing NY and ship in trainers have wanted to use in a more widespread manner. Thus I think it’s important to remember that even though we’re used to seeing them widespread in eventing, it’s not yet that was in racing and certainly not so in NY racing. This doesn’t mean it won’t evolve to being here. But it’s a relatively new thing and race trainers don’t (as a generalization) jump onto “new” things easily.
2.) Let me try to explain how the “Fair and Level playing field for the bettors” is a VERY good thing in terms of horse welfare. First off, you and I both know that to be successful at anything you must be credible and trustworthy for others to come and count on you that their money, child, horse, whatever will prosper in your care. The same is true for the folks that bet on NY (and heck) all of racing. This sport is far different from our sport disciplines because due to the gambling there are a LOT of regulatory agencies that step in and mandate firm guidelines on what can and can’t be done to protect the bettors and their investments made on the backs of racehorses. And each state is it’s own jurisdiction and even then there are exceptions like NYRA (Belmont, Aqueduct and Saratoga) but Finger Lakes has it’s own rules and it’s a track in NY also.
As an assistant trainer I can tell you there are laundry lists of rules. Standards for race days, licensing of back stretch workers, fines and disciplinary actions for ANY kind of infracture and on and on. And with that comes a system that quite honestly works better than sport disciplines in it’s increased transparency.
Todd Pletcher or Joe Schmoe can all get a fine, days, and or be ruled off completely. And you can know about it. Why? Because these things are made public. And if a horse is found to have bled in the morning bad enough, you can know about it, because it’s public. You can know from any country with the internet how fast a horse worked, you can know what drugs, equipment and so on a horse will be racing with 3 days out. Why? Because the bettors need to have all the facts before they place a bet. And so the myriad of rules that seem endless to those of us who have worked on a backside are in place to protect everyone.
But moreover they end up protecting the horses.
3.) Here’s the biggest thing that ALL horse people need to work on. When you don’t like another disciplines rule variances from your disciplines rules, stop and consider this. Would you ever bitch about a baseball game not being played under the rules for lacrosse??? (Thanks Linny!) No! Why? Because they’re 2 completely different sports. But they do both involve teams, balls and some form of a device that carries and propels the balls. It would be ludicrous. They’re similar but not the same.
So instead of blasting the race world for not playing by the show world’s rules, let’s stop and think for a moment. Maybe doing the research about how it’s important to create a way for the race world to use a strip if they so desire with regulation and effective supervision is better than running onto this board decreeing that NY racing is preventing better welfare of their horses. Which just isn’t true.
I want to point out that this isn’t a new rule and even at the time of the TC nominations this rule was in place. It wasn’t suddenly enacted to prevent IHA from winning the triple crown. And I will say I do believe these things are effective, but the number of horses who have won races (Of any variety) without them is still worth noting. I have seen them worn in steeplechasing and the form of the horse still won out in its final placing. They don’t ensure victory and they don’t completely thwart defeat.
And for the record, IHA has won without them before.
So in closing to my long and rambling post, I really think that the strips shouldn’t be brought in until they can be deemed a piece of equipment, with disclosure at the time of entry, and standards of use should be set. And if one needs to be removed before it goes in the gate, scratch the horse. That’s the fair way.
And lets all try to remember that how we manage our own horses health and welfare is of greater value to the community of COTH then how we perceive the welfare of a celebrity from the comfort of our home.
~Emily
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Obviously the betters are more important then the Horses!?[/QUOTE]
In 2010, there was $1,031,317,175 (that’s over a Billion) in prize money distributed in purse money for TB races in the US.
Of that amount this is where the money came from…
84% came from bettors (takeout on pari-mutuel handle returned to purses)
16% came from other sources… entry fees for stakes, breeder premiums, sponsorship (Derby brought to you by ‘Yum Brands’), slots, etc.
As far as I know, and you can correct me on this, but no horse has ever died or been hurt due to prohibition of the use of a Nasal Strip. On the other hand, as you can see from the numbers above, racing as we know it would cease to exist without bettors.
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WHY!?!? What the heck is wrong with the racing industry!?!?!? :mad::mad::mad:
I am so beyond frustRated by the lack of care exhibited y TPTB, it is APPALING!!! We can shoot them up with steroids, run em on Lasix, nerve thier front legs, but heaven help us if we put a strip on thier nose to open thier airways.
New York needs a reality check![/QUOTE]
Excuse me for a second, could you tell me what is so wrong with allowing horses the run under Lasix/Salix? Or what steroids that every horse is supposedly “shot up with”? I’m sure you wouldn’t say these things without complete and recent hands-on experience in the industry, not simply as a casual follower or one of the many “well when I worked at the track 20 years ago” people. So please, enlighten me here.
Drvmb1ggl3 did a concise response of why/why not from the regulatory reasons. From the maker of the product they seem to walk a fine line of saying there are benefits. I think they’d love to fill a future void that could arise from the aversion to Lasix/Salix although that remains questionable.
DRF “Stewards won’t permit I’ll Have Another to wear nasal strip in Belmont Stakes”
Dr. Ted Hill, the Jockey Club steward at Belmont Park, said the nasal strip issue has been reviewed a number of times and said the problem is how to regulate its use.
“If it’s really going to help the horse that much, to be fair and consistent, we have to regulate it,” Hill said. “That’s always been the issue.”
Hill said there has not been a clamor among New York horsemen to use it.
"We’ve never had someone say, ‘What can we do here because we’d like to use this product?’ " Hill said. “There’s really been no push for it.”
Dr. James R. Chiapetta, a veterinarian who is the president of Flair LLC, contacted the Belmont Park stewards earlier this week in an attempt to change their position, but was unsuccessful.
“The strips make no more difference in the outcome of a race than do horseshoes, tongue ties, figure eight bridles, or other equipment horsemen are permitted to use,” Chiapetta said in a statement released by Flair on Friday. “The strips, however, are designed to protect horses’ lungs so they can stay healthier.”
According to Chiapetta, the strips “are scientifically proven to reduce lung bleeding and can reduce bleeding as much as the drug Lasix/Salix when horses are running to fatigue.”
If the benefits are that comparable (again, the company is motivated to sell more and outside validation by a wagering body hasn’t been uncovered) then a horse running with them should be so noted in the program. The use then would be subject to regulation.
I wonder how the officials would feel about these: http://www.protectohorse.com/ez.html or maybe they prefer the old method from eons ago when the vet would actually punch holes in nostrils so you could thread a shoe lace through and tie them open like either Flair or Breate EZ holds them without disfigurement?
It looked to me in I’ll Have Another’s past two races that the nose flare was positioned a little to high. I gave two to my trainer and they are still in his box of stuff…they just will not use them.
Does no one remember that the use of nasal strips used to be noted in the racing form, right alongside blinkers and front wraps? This was after the Breeders’ Cup where Cash Run won the Juvenile Fillies over Chilukki, and someone else also won a BC race while wearing one. They were all the rage, but the form discontinued noting their use after it was determined that it didn’t seem to have much of an effect on performance.
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=100209&page=2
The BC winners were Anees, Cash Run, and Cat Thief (latter two both trained by D. Wayne Lukas.)
“My mom used to wear the same lucky blouse to my races and she was sure that was why I won,” says Kunz. “In our opinion, it is not likely that [the nasal strips] do anything for the horse. The human nose and the equine nose are very different. They might work as well as my mom’s lucky blouse did. I think more data has to be done as to whether they help, hurt, or don’t make a difference.”
Researchers at Kansas State University are currently investigating lung capacity in horses and part of the study looks at what the Flair strip may do.
Preliminary findings have shown a 33 percent reduction in bleeding in a study of a small number of horses using the strip. So far, the research — which is still in its early stages — hasn’t shown a disadvantage in using the device, according to Dr. Howard Erickson, head of the department of anatomy and physiology. But it hasn’t shown a competitive advantage either.
“The horse is a phenomenal athlete,” says Erickson. “The pressure becomes very high when the airways are under the immense pressure a race incurs. But, still, we don’t know if the strips affect performance.”
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Does no one remember that the use of nasal strips used to be noted in the racing form, right alongside blinkers and front wraps? This was after the Breeders’ Cup where Cash Run won the Juvenile Fillies over Chilukki, and someone else also won a BC race while wearing one.[/QUOTE]
The 1999 Breeders’ Cup was at Gulfstream Park. The point was that New York does not allow for the strips. California does, Kentucky allowed it as did Maryland.
He, obviously, wasn’t allowed to wear the strip when he raced in Saratoga in the Hopeful Stakes (lost by 19-lengths in the slop) nor did he wear one at Hollywood Park in his maiden victory last July.
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