Formerly head-shy mare now nuisance mouthy

I am a novice rider and have been helping with feeding and turnout for a break in board. There is one 4y/o OTTB at the farm who is head shy and hard to catch. She has gotten away from people before, so I am always cautious with her and lead her in alone.

Anyway, I decided enough was enough and started to make a real effort to overcome her head shyness. I made it part of my everyday routine to go into her stall with treats and practice taking the halter on and off, sometimes several times. It only took maybe 5 days? She’s become the easiest horse to catch, will stick her nose right into the halter if you held it up, has no problem with hands all over her face, on her ears, etc. I was really pleased.

Then the other shoe dropped. She has become nosy. It isn’t only for treats, it’s for anything. She wants to nose the curry comb in my hands, the hoof pick, every button on my jacket. I put a jolly ball out for her and distracted her today, but I feel like I may have given her a new vice.

I’m ashamed to tell the trainer because I know it’s frowned upon to treat train horses. I’m a dog person, and I treat train my own horse, so that’s my hubris. When she noses me, I try to apply advice from Warwick Schiller’s videos on the subject and handle her face until she gets over it, but she seems to find face handling reinforcing now. Toys and interesting objects distract her at least, which makes me wonder if it is just babyish curiosity she will outgrow.

Is this something she will eventually get over? Is there anything minimally punitive I can do to stop it? I would hate to smack her as I wonder if this is how she got to be head shy in the first place. This has only gone on for about two weeks so hopefully no permanent damage has been done.

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I know this is frustrating, but it’s also adorable. You cared enough to get her through her head shyness, and she’s comfortable enough around you now to be her curious baby self.

I’d gently redirect and lay off the hand fed treats (deposit them in a bucket instead.) She’ll get over it. Thank you for being kind to her :heart:

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Don’t smack. You can block with your elbow or poke her nose.

You should look into formal clicker training. It includes training to back off and wait for treats, and to recognize when a session starts and stops.

I would way rather have a friendly pushy horse than a scared one. You’ve successfully solved a big problem. Now you need to solve a new problem. That’s what training is all about.

I like to train an overfriendly horse to stand quietly on a loose lead rope while I am 3 or 4 feet away. That gets them to see we can be together and relaxed.

Too much nuzzling is still an anxiety reaction so let her nuzzle jolly balls and curry combs but she needs to keep her teeth off you.

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[quote=“Simkie, post:2, topic:757962, full:true”]
I know this is frustrating, but it’s also adorable. You cared enough to get her through her head shyness, and she’s comfortable enough around you now to be her curious baby self.

I’d gently redirect and lay off the hand fed treats (deposit them in a bucket instead.) She’ll get over it. Thank you for being kind to her :heart:

This. Exactly. :slight_smile:

I love an over-the-top friendly and inquisitive horse. As long as there is no dangerous behaviour, I’m fine. I even love the pesky ones.

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Overly friendly is a better starting point than head shy.

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I have a " mouthy" young horse myself. He isn’t biting me but he wants to put everything in his mouth. I have spent the last year just trying to redirect his attentions instead of outright discipline since it is just his nature to be inquisitive.

I will give a stern " no" and a slight snap on the lead rope if he is particularly into it and he will respond. I can say it is getting much better.

You train her to stand still. This means the four hooves do not move. She stands with her head and neck straight. Teach her to keep her head and neck straight. The same way you did with teaching her to like hands and halter on. If she moves you put her back every.single.time. and praise. She will pick it up very quickly like she did before.

You can still interact with her. You can show her which brush you are going to use and talk to her, but she doesn’t turn her head afterwards.

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