[QUOTE=GoForAGallop;4836084]
I think the TRUE issue, for me at least, is not that the OP disciplined the dog (which was too harshly, in my opinion) but that the OP did not THEN say “Ooops, sorry, just didn’t want Fido to get hurt!” as you suggested.
Instead she smacked the dog, glared at and was very rude to the owner, and then came on here to post her huffy little post.[/QUOTE]
Better be careful or HT will start citing libel laws and threaten to call the po-leeece on your arse. :o
The impression I got from OP post was that she whipped the dog out of frustration and crankiness from falling off and not so much because she felt the need to protect herself or her horse.
Well, this was quite rude. Do you really think it is funny that I took a good fall off my mare?
You are in New England and many of our trails are rocky, no?
And it was you who said you have a “Come to Jesus” meeting with your horse when it spooks. No?
I don’t see the point of hitting a horse that is truly afraid of something. All you’re doing is comfirming their fear that they should be afraid of it.
I’m afraid and I get hit…
P.S. MP, I see you are posting. Sorry, but TLB Gang is on my ignore.
I’m not attacking you.
Everyone else said their opinion and I am fine with that. Everyone is entitled to weigh in.
You’re the one who keeps harping whenever another poster doesn’t agree with you. Uh, you have 13 posts on this thread so far?
Most people say their peace and move on. Not you.
Is this Junior High School and you’re the ring leader? Just responding to your statement, “When almost everyone agrees with me?”
Is this a contest to see how many people agree with you as opposed to me?
I’m not vying for votes to see who wins.
I made a split second decision and stand by it. You do it your way and I’ll do it mine. So, I don’t know why the constant badgering by you.
Not funny when it happens to you?
[QUOTE=Huntertwo;4836690]
Well, this was quite rude. Do you really think it is funny that I took a good fall off my mare?
You are in New England and many of our trails are rocky, no?
And it was you who said you have a “Come to Jesus” meeting with your horse when it spooks. No?
I don’t see the point of hitting a horse that is truly afraid of something. All you’re doing is comfirming their fear that they should be afraid of it.
I’m afraid and I get hit…
P.S. MP, I see you are posting. Sorry, but TLB Gang is on my ignore.[/QUOTE]
Well, from your original post, I also thought that you hit the dog out of anger because you fell off your horse and not that you felt that either you or your horse were in danger. I also thought that you were unneccessarily rude to the dog owner when she apologized and inquired if you were alright.
Personally, I do not think it is funny that you fell off your horse, but I am going to call you a hypocrite for this statement, “Well, this was quite rude. Do you really think it is funny that I took a good fall off my mare?” Below is a recent quote from you from another thread where a video is posted of a small child that falls off a pony that is being chased by a very large bird. The bird then continues to chase the child that is so scared that he is sobbing and crawling to get away from the bird. Seems as though the child “took a good fall” and then the animal responsible for the fall was actually attacking the child and not just “sniffing the back legs” of the pony. That’s alot more serious than what happened to you, buuuut, according to your quote below, you think that is quite funny.
HunterTwo wrote:
"OMG…
I haven’t laughed that hard in ages…lol
Poor kid on her hands and knees trying to escape, ostrich pummels her, man pummels ostrich…lol "
I would not have gotten involved in this discussion between you and GoForAGallop, (GFAG was already handling the discussion quite well) until you pulled out this incredibly hypocritical statement. So, here goes:
Yep, you definitely are displaying an entitlement complex. Things are just fine until they happen to YOU, then you have your hissy fit and attack whoever you feel is wronging you or not agreeing with you. That is what you did to the boxer dog, and that is what you did to GoForAGallop in addition to several other posters to various degrees. You jumped all over GFAG, you made wild assumptions, took leaping conclusions and made very rude accusations at the beginning of this thread. Now you are screaming foul because you feel that it is being done to YOU.
You are being a hypocrite and the proof is your own quotes right above.
And duly noted that you are also arguing with everyone over at that thread also…
Let go of the anger…
And totally different argument. Weren’t you also comparing Soldiers purposely terrifying a puppy with a child who fell off the pony because the father put her in a pasture to ride which also housed a Rhea??? 
:eek: Which trails? I live outside Philly too!
[quote=ADM7040;4836846]Well, from your original post, I also thought that you hit the dog out of anger because you fell off your horse and not that you felt that either you or your horse were in danger. I also thought that you were unneccessarily rude to the dog owner when she apologized and inquired if you were alright.
Personally, I do not think it is funny that you fell off your horse, but I am going to call you a hypocrite for this statement, “Well, this was quite rude. Do you really think it is funny that I took a good fall off my mare?” Below is a recent quote from you from another thread where a video is posted of a small child that falls off a pony that is being chased by a very large bird. The bird then continues to chase the child that is so scared that he is sobbing and crawling to get away from the bird. Seems as though the child “took a good fall” and then the animal responsible for the fall was actually attacking the child and not just “sniffing the back legs” of the pony. That’s alot more serious than what happened to you, buuuut, according to your quote below, you think that is quite funny.
HunterTwo wrote:
"OMG…
I haven’t laughed that hard in ages…lol
Poor kid on her hands and knees trying to escape, ostrich pummels her, man pummels ostrich…lol "
I would not have gotten involved in this discussion between you and GoForAGallop, (GFAG was already handling the discussion quite well) until you pulled out this incredibly hypocritical statement. So, here goes:
Yep, you definitely are displaying an entitlement complex. Things are just fine until they happen to YOU, then you have your hissy fit and attack whoever you feel is wronging you or not agreeing with you. That is what you did to the boxer dog, and that is what you did to GoForAGallop in addition to several other posters to various degrees. You jumped all over GFAG, you made wild assumptions, took leaping conclusions and made very rude accusations at the beginning of this thread. Now you are screaming foul because you feel that it is being done to YOU.
You are being a hypocrite and the proof is your own quotes right above.
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Sorry, H2 while I disagree with ADM7040 on the other thread she’s got you dead to rights on this one.
I have 13 posts because there have been many posts specifically addressed to me, which I answered. I tend not to ignore people when they’re speaking to me.
As for the rather irrelevant bit about highschool popularity contests–no, that’s not at all what I meant when I mentioned everyone else agreeing with me. I mentioned it because you are singling me out from many other people who are saying the exact same thing.
Again, please do PM me for my address so that you can come see my beaten and bloody horse who cowers in fear. He’s a grey, so the blood marks from my barbed wire whip show up quite nicely. :rolleyes: Or if you can’t bear to come see the horror in person, PM me for my Facebook page, I have lots of pictures of him on there.
Look: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9910967&l=d8883132fe&id=784270214 In this photo, you can see where I’ve beaten him down to the very BONE!! Oh nooessss! :lol:
[QUOTE=Huntertwo;4836888]
And duly noted that you are also arguing with everyone over at that thread also… Let go of the anger…
And totally different argument. Weren’t you also comparing Soldiers purposely terrifying a puppy with a child who fell off the pony because the father put her in a pasture to ride which also housed a Rhea??? [/QUOTE]
Yeah, there are definitely 2 sides on the other thread, but there is no bickering and blatant attacks going on over there like what you are doing over here. And I highly doubt that anyone who has read my posts on the other thread would have described my posts as angry. Plenty of people disagreed with my opinion, some thought they were ridiculous even, but there was no anger from me and I don’t recall any posts directed towards me that I would describe as angry either. Actually, one of the most recent posters wrote “ADM, you are being reasonable which is not fun at all.”
Sorry HunterTwo, but you are again attacking in a ridiculous and inappropriate manner because someone did not agree with you. I guess you have nothing to say about your hypocritical statements. But then again, what can you say, the quotes are right there. So what do you do? You attack, again.
If a strange dog ran up to my horse’s hindlegs to sniff them, I’d be mostly worried about the dog. My horse isn’t afraid of dogs - he lives on a farm with a whole pack of them - but he hates them, and will try to nail them if they come too close. The farm dogs know this, but some poor happy pooch on the trail may not.
When I have strange, rambunctious dogs bounding up to me, I dismount, mainly to keep them from getting their heads kicked in. I’ve also found that very excited dogs tend to get more reasonable when they see a person on the ground. If I ever felt I had to whack a dog away from my horse’s legs to save its life, I’d probably do so. Other than that, I love dogs as much as horses and I’ve never yet met a truly aggressive dog on a trail ride, just some pretty excited noisy ones. 
she’s got you dead to rights on this one.
It sure seems so, doesn’t it?
And just how does a strange dog running toward me on a trail compare with a video obviously released on purpose from the parent or guardian of this child, who is riding in his own pasture with presumably other family pets contained in the same pasture? :rolleyes:
The father continued to video tape although it was clear the pony was getting chased by the Rhea. Only after the child was on the ground for several seconds did the father approach the Rhea.
Much different than a totally strange dog coming after you.
Obfuscation does not alter facts
[QUOTE=Huntertwo;4837420]
And just how does a strange dog running toward me on a trail compare with a video obviously released on purpose from the parent or guardian of this child, who is riding in his own pasture with presumably other family pets contained in the same pasture? :rolleyes:
The father continued to video tape although it was clear the pony was getting chased by the Rhea. Only after the child was on the ground for several seconds did the father approach the Rhea.
Much different than a totally strange dog coming after you.[/QUOTE]
Huntertwo, your very childish attempt at obfuscation does not alter any facts. Obviously you did not like being called out for being a hypocrite and now you are attempting to muddy the waters to avoid the subject.
If you would like me to remind you EXACTLY why I called you a hypocrite then I will suggest to you that you go back and re-read my post #165 where I spell out, complete with quotes from you, EXACTLY why you are being a hypocrite.
My guess is you will not address the hypocrisy of your words, instead you will make another attempt to attack or try to obfuscate some more. It does not matter, you have been called out for what you have done, the proof is in your own quotes and the rest of your posts. I have no doubt that this proof will not alter you one bit.
I have trained my horses to turn and face ANY scary object.
You cant desensitize a horse to every possible scary thing that you might come across on a trail. dogs, cars, deer, etc. It’s infinite! (just like the landing hotair baloon!)
What you can do is teach them HOW to react when they get scared.
You teach them to turn & face what’s scaring them.
Granted, that might just be what the OP’s horse did. Sometimes those 180 turns can be quite ferocious, to face head-on those ‘sudden’ scary objects coming up quick behind you.
I usually turn to face scary things, too. Also, keep in mind the OP’s horse is blind in one eye, so it’s even more important that she be able to turn and see any scary object.
Love those hot air balloons. I was riding alone one lovely fall evening near the barn. I saw the balloon in the distance and it kept getting closer and closer, then lower and lower, occasionally firing the burner. I thought “surely, they’re not going to land HERE,” but we turned and faced it just in case. Sure enough they dropped down about 150’ feet away.
My horse really didn’t react as much as I thought she would. I think she was as incredulous as I was. :lol:
But the fact is - dogs are predators. And you just DON’T KNOW that dog’s intentions. You don’t know if he is capable of attacking without putting on an agressive display first.
dogs don’t put on “aggressive” displays when predating. Because they are not being aggressive. Chasing down and killing prey isn’t “aggression”. Often predating dogs have body language similar to happy, playing dogs.
From my own “How to deal with loose dogs while riding a horse”
-Expose your horse to friendly, calm, horse-savvy dogs as often as you can. Invite your friends to bring em over and turn em loose in the arena if necessary.
-Most dogs have never seen horses and are afraid of them. If the dog is barking, snarling, hackles raised, some kind of display, the dog is terrified of the horse. If you turn the horse to face the dog and calmly tell the dog to knock it off and go home and then start slowly walking forward towards the dog, most such dogs will turn and run. Unless the dog thinks you are on his property, in which case there is a remote possibility he will attack the advancing horse; so if you think the dog may think you are getting into his territory, slowly walking on by while talking in a calm quiet voice may be your best bet.
-The most common way a curious dog will investigate your horse is by coming up behind the horse and sniffing at the hind legs. Dogs think the FRONT end of animals (the teeth end) is the dangerous part, so they go the rear to try to figure out what this thing is. This is fine; I would let the dog have some sniffs if your horse isn’t a kicker, (in hopes that next horse-dog encounter the dog will have no interest in the horse), while talking calmly to the dog, and then very slowly start walking away.
-NEVER move away from a dog at speed. Walk very slowly away. Speed of any kind may trigger predatory chase n bite behavior.
-NEVER dismount and attempt to capture a loose dog you don’t know. Good way to get bitten.
-Be especially careful with herding dogs. They may attempt to herd your horse, a behavior that is similar to predatory behavior- circling, chasing, nipping. You can try meeting their eyes and telling them to knock it off, or try some common commands like Down, or just stand your horse still in hopes their instincts will quiet down in the face of a non-responsive animal.
-Do not attempt to train, scold, discipline, or whip other people’s dogs unless you are in fear for your life, since many Fido Owners will become irate and the encounter will go downhill from there.
-Most Dog Owners know diddly-squat about horses, and would like to be instructed in how to act around them, and would really like their dogs to behave appropriately around horses. Being calm and friendly while being informative (Hi! can you heel your dog past me on the right side of the trail? THANKS! Or Hi! Can you please just keep walking instead of hiding behind that bush, the horse gets scared by people hiding!) goes a long way.
-Scolding Dog Owners about Leash Laws, even if you happen to know for 100% certainty there is one in that particular location, never goes over well. Usually the owner knows full-well he’s in violation and doesn’t care to be reminded, or he knows that there isn’t one in effect in that location and you are just being an irritating PITA.
-Flexis can cut your horse’s legs to the bone. If a dog on a flexi tries to run around or under your horse your best bet is to panic. Oh wait, no. Rapid dismount and with gloved hands gasp flexi cord might be your best option.
[QUOTE=LarkspurCO;4832912]
In my experience, the majority of dog owners don’t bother to train their dogs and expect other people to put up with their dogs’ unruly behavior.
If you allow your dogs to run loose and run up behind a horse, you are an irresponsible dog owner. Your dog does not deserve to be kicked by my horse. Your dog deserves to be TRAINED.[/QUOTE]
Don’t we all have a friend who thinks it’s the cutest thing when their 100lb Lab x happily bounds at their visitors and does nothing but “lovingly” maul and jump on them when they visit? I like dogs, have two. But they are trained to listen to come, stay, off, and heel and they obey to those commands.
I probably would have reacted much like the OP though. I’m not going to mess around with the safety of my being, my horse, or your dog because you can’t control him. I’ve broken bones once in my lifetime from my horse being chased by a dog. It’s not going to happen again if I can help it.
omg is this post still going on
i have reported the thread everyone as had there say
now move on
put thy big girls pants on and pull them up and move on
its like being at an old grannies tea party lol
bicker bicker bicker
The situation was calm enough that the following are true:
The dog did not sufficiently startle the horse into bolting or even trying to flee the scence.
The dog abandoned the leg-sniffing activity after a single whack with a dressage whip.
The horse did not trample the fallen rider or the strange dog, presumably she spooked at the leash in the leaves moreso than the actual dog.
The dog’s owner was not sufficiently offended by the whack to say anything about its occurence.
The OP was not injured in the unexpected dismount.
The horse was not injured by the dog.
The OP did not crawl away on her hands and knees shrieking in fear.
The OP got to her feet and whacked a stranger’s dog out of embarrassment.
all of that adds up in my mind to an embarrassed OP who took it out an a mostly innocent dog. The dog’s biggest offense was being owned by someone who put the wrong leash on him. Yawn. But again, if the OP had been spook/dumped by a rhea then assaulted by it, oh the hilarity.
Frankly, I don’t get that.
I think most people watching the rhea video were not laughing at the child getting dumped, but the strange configuration of events. Bird in pasture, wayward donkey, child not standing up but crawling away. I guess it was just so strange and that combination made it funny.
And the op of this thread just had a bad day and made the mistake of complaining about it here.
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