Free lease gone bad

[Denali6298]

@RockinHorse

Admitting something under an alias on a message board is not the same as admitting it for purposes of proving something legally.

Well if the names match could that be something? I’m not saying it would be the end all and be all but maybe additional proof.

Assuming she used her real name when making the account.

[Callista17]

Rockinhorse- I think that will be for the courts/LE to decide, if it was valid.

As far as how long a warrant would take, I am waiting to see if that’s the course LEs decide to take. I would think stolen tack, as someone mentioned earlier, may be a higher value than a 21 year old lesson pony, monetarily.

[Denali6298]

@Callista17 how long in situations like this would you expect a warrant to process?

[Gestalt]

@Callista17

My “axe to grind” is not an axe, just a “YIKES, this BO handled this poorly, wonder why she couldn’t have tried to act professional?!”

Not my pony, not my circus, but now BO has also showed her “true colors”. Around here- she would lose a lot of business. People don’t like barns with tons of drama from the person “in charge”.
I think…when people are young…they are still figuring life out. I believe, you can get further with honey than vinegar in some situations, and I feel this story will stick with both parties for a long time. I think feelings were hurt and as someone said, the poor pony is the pawn. Friends have the ability to hurt people more than enemies- at one time, they were close and knew each other- knew things others may not, and they trusted each other at one time.

I always like happy endings- I like former friends making up, or if not possible, then QUIETLY SETTLING DIFFERENCES, agreeing to disagree, or even handling this criminally/civilly, THEN WHEN THERE ARE OFFICIAL DECISIONS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, saying “these are the facts”, not “I want my pony”.

I don’t think it’s the barn owner that’s being “dramatic”. :lol: Has she posted in all caps?

[Callista17]

@ Gestalt- LOL hehe

[mswillie]

@Scribbler

It’s official. But I would consider that it could be contested as trainer made no attempt to collect board for 8 years.

The trainer made no attempt to collect board for 8 years because she believed that she owned the pony.

OP and trainer have falling out, OP tells trainer neener-neener, I didn’t give you the pony.

Trainer says ok then, if she’s your pony, pay me board for the last 8 years. I’ll deduct for the lessons she did.

OP makes no attempt to do so

Trainer obtains legal ownership of pony.

OP steals pony.

Trainer contacts LE. The “Case of the Stolen Pony” is now a criminal matter.

Trainer continues to look for pony, posting on Facebook.

And we wait to see if another chapter is forthcoming.

I could be wrong, I’ve been wrong before, but that’s how I’m reading it. I really do not see any issue with someone not attempting to collect board on a pony they clearly believe, and may have documentation to prove, belongs to them.

[Denali6298]

I’m betting the OP did give BO the pony after she couldn’t make the reduced board payments. OP also seemed to be behind on board for the other four horses. I hope the pony is found soon and in good health.

[Ruth0552]

#freethepony ??

[emipou]

@Hawkridge

Doesn’t the BO have current papers/documentation that states that this pony is legally hers? If so, then the pony was clearly stolen IMO.
OP, why didn’t you just, at the very least, go to the aution and try and work something out or register to bid? Or send a friend to go do the bidding for you?

Well, here’s a question for you all - is ownership still 90% possession (or however it was worded)?

[RubyTuesday]

@Denali6298

The OP admitted here she has the pony

But again, how are you (g) going to prove it’s the same person?

[IPEsq]

@emipou

Well, here’s a question for you all - is ownership still 90% possession (or however it was worded)?

This expression comes from property law (as in real estate). Not applicable.

Here we we have a question of the intent of the parties 8+ years ago. And then even if that gets decided in the OP’s favor, we have an issue of whether there was a boarding contract, what that said, and whether BO has now taken appropriate steps under local law to obtain ownership of the horse. The only way possession comes into play is whether that shows the intent of the parties over the 8 years (in the face of no written contract), or whether BO had sufficient grounds for the lien.

[TheJenners]

@fordtraktor

[USER=“202786”]
In the vast majority of thefts the item is never recovered and no one is ever prosecuted. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a theft.

Accurate

[Midge]

@Scribbler

No, it’s not correct. But it’s expedient.

Once the OP has the pony, it’s up to the trainer to prove that she really has legal ownership. Obviously the police are not exactly being very active here.

These kind of free lease gone wrong situations are just nasty all around, and in general if the original owner wants the horse back badly enough and comes to get it in the middle of the night, the trainer/leaser never sees the horse again.

Geesh!! The BO is the legal owner without question!

[mvp]

Late to the party.

1. So you signed the agreement and didn’t make sure the other party did? For 8.5 years? Why bother to create that document at all if you don’t plan to have the other side sign it?

2. That said, I don’t think your trainer has a leg to stand on. If there was a document that you can prove was shared with him/her then… and both of you guys carried on as though its terms were guiding your relationship for 8.5 years, I don’t think any court is going to agree that you dumped your horse there 8.5 years ago and have been ripping off the trainer (without a peep from him/her) for all that time.

[IronwoodFarm]

MVP, Late to the party and you need to read the back a few pages. Turns out the OP was a wee bit untruthful in her initial post. I don’t think you would be answering this way if you have caught the update.

[Callista17]

…were we ghosted?..

[Sugarwells]

@Callista17

…were we ghosted?..

Well the OP is still reading.

I doubt the owner/trainer wants to update she is perusing the OP criminally. I hope the owner/trainer gets the pony she has cared for for the past decade back.

[Palm_Beach]

@Tbfan03 - comment?