Free lease gone bad

[Denali6298]

@Callista17

Where’s this warrant? I did get very bored looking at the FB pages, so maybe she has posted pics of the 20 something year old in handcuffs.
I hope at least one of them come back to start updating soon, or advise us when Judge Judy will be airing.

Clearly the BO has enough class to not out the OP. The warrant at the time of this thread was headed to a judge. So clearly LE talked to both parties. I don’t know if the judge has issued the warrant yet, but I imagine it’s slower than say a murder case. This isn’t law and order where they wake up the neighborhood judge and get an instant warrant.

Also, I highly doubt the BO would do something as terrible to publicly post pictures of the OP in cuffs if it comes to that. Some of you are unreal with the need for this to explode in some dramatic fashion a la high school or fugly.

[Gestalt]

@Scribbler

In our jurisdiction, the crown doesn’t lay charges unless there is a 99.9 % chance they will win in court. In our jurisdiction if the OP could spin a story that muddied the water and made it look like the ownership was genuinely in dispute, I think LE would back off and tell trainer to pursue it in civil court first ($$$).

WTH? LE would tell the trainer to pursue in civil court?

She already has, has won, and now is going the criminal route. You keep saying you are not on any sides, but it sure looks like you have an ax to grind against the barn owner (trainer to use your terms) as does Callista17. Why this angst against a BO that’s been dunned by a non-paying client?

[Denali6298]

@Scribbler I think you keep forgetting a criminal complaint for the theft of this horse was made a week before the OP came here and posted. Maybe that’s why you think the police haven’t talked to both parties? The horse had been taken March 20th. The OP came on here claiming the horse was still at the barn March 28th and lead us to believe the falling out happened recently not in December.

[Callista17]

@Denali6298

Clearly the BO has enough class to not out the OP. The warrant at the time of this thread was headed to a judge. So clearly LE talked to both parties. I don’t know if the judge has issued the warrant yet, but I imagine it’s slower than say a murder case. This isn’t law and order where they wake up the neighborhood judge and get an instant warrant.

Also, I highly doubt the BO would do something as terrible to publicly post pictures of the OP in cuffs if it comes to that. Some of you are unreal with the need for this to explode in some dramatic fashion a la high school or fugly.

In my opinion, the BO has already been overly dramatic, posting the pony was stolen, when she knew very well where it went. A former “friend” had her. A “friend” that worked for her and stayed with her.

Lets be realistic for just one moment. I have already stated, I think there is a third story here…However…being involved with horses, there generally was an adult/mentor around. Even into my 20s, I spent time with adults showing- grooming etc. We spent a lot of time together- garage saling even, holiday parties, cleaning, whatever. I considered mentors and friends. I didn’t own horses until my 20s, and never stole, but I was young then. I looked up to these adults. I definitely think the BO went about this in a horrible way…especially if she wanted the pony. They were obviously friends at some point.

When I filed court papers, it’s never taken a week. I highly doubt there would be a warrant. Maybe a civil case, or maybe charges, but since the BO is working on a warrant for a friend- I am waiting!
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[Callista17]

My “axe to grind” is not an axe, just a “YIKES, this BO handled this poorly, wonder why she couldn’t have tried to act professional?!”

Not my pony, not my circus, but now BO has also showed her “true colors”. Around here- she would lose a lot of business. People don’t like barns with tons of drama from the person “in charge”.
I think…when people are young…they are still figuring life out. I believe, you can get further with honey than vinegar in some situations, and I feel this story will stick with both parties for a long time. I think feelings were hurt and as someone said, the poor pony is the pawn. Friends have the ability to hurt people more than enemies- at one time, they were close and knew each other- knew things others may not, and they trusted each other at one time.

I always like happy endings- I like former friends making up, or if not possible, then QUIETLY SETTLING DIFFERENCES, agreeing to disagree, or even handling this criminally/civilly, THEN WHEN THERE ARE OFFICIAL DECISIONS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, saying “these are the facts”, not “I want my pony”.

[Denali6298]

[QUOTE=Callista17;n10086357]

In my opinion, the BO has already been overly dramatic, posting the pony was stolen, when she knew very well where it went. A former “friend” had her. A “friend” that worked for her and stayed with her.

Lets be realistic for just one moment. I have already stated, I think there is a third story here…However…being involved with horses, there generally was an adult/mentor around. Even into my 20s, I spent time with adults showing- grooming etc. We spent a lot of time together- garage saling even, holiday parties, cleaning, whatever. I considered mentors and friends. I didn’t own horses until my 20s, and never stole, but I was young then. I looked up to these adults. I definitely think the BO went about this in a horrible way…especially if she wanted the pony. They were obviously friends at some point.

When I filed court papers, it’s never taken a week. I highly doubt there would be a warrant. Maybe a civil case, or maybe charges, but since the BO is working on a warrant for a friend- I am waiting!
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If you had a horse stolen you wouldn’t post on FB for people to keep their eyes out for it! Okay. Now back to reality. The police have to request the warrant. The warrant for all we know could be issued. She knows who took the pony not where it is. If you stole a horse would you just move it down the street to another local barn? Highly doubtful.

A warrant comes before charges in cases like this. The civil case already happened back in February resulting in ownership being awarded to the BO.

What is so hard about this timeline to understand?

[llt]

I don’t find it unusual that the BO posted on Facebook asking people to look out for the pony. I also don’t think that Scribbler and Callista are acting as if they have an axe to grind. As far as doing business with the barn owner going forward? People have continued doing business with known sexual predators, known tax evaders, people known convicted of insurance fraud. So why not continue to do business with a person looking for a stolen pony?

[Callista17]

Since you asked, if someone took a horse out of my barn, and I wanted it back, or money, first thing I would do would be try to contact them.

If that didn’t work, I’d lawyer up and if they suggested a police report, that would be done.

I understand BO said she had a lien and auction where she bought the pony she thought she was already gifted to her, but my job makes me request cold hard proof from LE or an official source.

Like I said, to avoid drama, slander, etc ONCE I HAD AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT, I’d say “welcome home Dobbin, this is what happened, if I felt it was needed.”

COTHers speculating isn’t going to resolve the OP and BOs problem. LEs and courts will.

[Denali6298]

I guess I’m not seeing the drama behind, this horse was stolen call if you see it. Should COTH get rid of the missing horses forum since advertising on an international forum for missing and/or stolen horses is dramatic?

[RegentLion]

So you’d “contact them”.

if they were rational, logical people they wouldn’t have stolen the horse in the first place.

[RockinHorse]

@Callista17

Since you asked, if someone took a horse out of my barn, and I wanted it back, or money, first thing I would do would be try to contact them.

If that didn’t work, I’d lawyer up and if they suggested a police report, that would be done.

I understand BO said she had a lien and auction where she bought the pony she thought she was already gifted to her, but my job makes me request cold hard proof from LE or an official source.

Like I said, to avoid drama, slander, etc ONCE I HAD AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT, I’d say “welcome home Dobbin, this is what happened, if I felt it was needed.”

COTHers speculating isn’t going to resolve the OP and BOs problem. LEs and courts will.

The BO says that

I followed the Connecticut state statute and put a Lein in this pony for back board owed, since she was now claiming ownership. The Lein went through and was legally filed with the court

Do you not consider this official?

[Scribbler]

Like I said, I’m waiting on the outcome. What’s a reasonable time frame for charges to be laid, or not, in a case like this?

My guess is if charges are laid, we will hear about it on social media. But if the police nose about a bit and decide there are no clear grounds to lay charges, we probably won’t hear about it.

So what’s a reasonable timeline to expect police to decide about charges? Three months? Six months? A year? I realize in complex serious crimes they can take a couple of years to collect evidence and lay charges. I don’t think that’s the case here.

If trainer contacted police March 20 when pony was taken away, that’s about three weeks. How long do these things take?

[RockinHorse]

If no charges are laid on the OP, it does not necessarily mean that the BO doesn’t legally own the pony. It could be that the level of proof has not been reached. It could be that although the BO knows the OP took the pony, it can’t be proved to the degree necessary if the OP doesn’t admit to taking or having the pony and if the pony’s whereabouts are unknown.

[fordtraktor]

@Scribbler it takes as long as it takes for the evidence to shake out. Like, for example, finding the pony in the care of the OP would help. I expect it will take a while because they haven’t even found the pony yet. No sense in taking it to a judge now and I imagine the case is a lowish priority. I wouldn’t expect anything to happen soon at all.

In the vast majority of thefts the item is never recovered and no one is ever prosecuted. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a theft.

[Denali6298]

I would hope not long. The warrant request was at a judge last Friday. Not sure how long that would take for a yay or nay. Callista17 would you know how long warrants typically take? Does it depend on case load or anything? Does it get its own docket number?

I know my step mom can get a warrant in about 3 days but those are for violent crimes or when there is a hit and run with someone dead.

[Denali6298]

@RockinHorse

If no charges are laid on the OP, it does not necessarily mean that the BO doesn’t legally own the pony. It could be that the level of proof has not been reached. It could be that although the BO knows the OP took the pony, it can’t be proved to the degree necessary if the OP doesn’t admit to taking or having the pony and if the pony’s whereabouts are unknown.

The OP admitted here she has the pony

[Scribbler]

@RockinHorse

The BO says that

Do you not consider this official?

It’s official. But I would consider that it could be contested as trainer made no attempt to collect board for 8 years.

[Scribbler]

@RockinHorse

If no charges are laid on the OP, it does not necessarily mean that the BO doesn’t legally own the pony. It could be that the level of proof has not been reached. It could be that although the BO knows the OP took the pony, it can’t be proved to the degree necessary if the OP doesn’t admit to taking or having the pony and if the pony’s whereabouts are unknown.

Exactly my point. Getting these claims enforced can be very difficult.

[RockinHorse]

@Denali6298

The OP admitted here she has the pony

Admitting something under an alias on a message board is not the same as admitting it for purposes of proving something legally.

[RockinHorse]

@Scribbler

It’s official. But I would consider that it could be contested as trainer made no attempt to collect board for 8 years.

But she didn’t contest it. She took the pony instead. But I guess since that is expedient it is okay