Friend faking service dog on plane

OP, does your friend live in Colorado?

http://kdvr.com/2016/03/01/proposed-law-will-make-fake-service-dogs-a-crime-in-colorado/#

[i]DENVER – A FOX31 Denver Problem Solver’s investigation is getting results at the State Capitol.

State Sen. Linda Newell and Rep. Daniel Kagan are proposing legislation that would make misrepresenting your pet as a service animal a crime in Colorado.

“We make it an offense, a criminal offense to pretend and deliberately, knowingly, fraudulently pretend that a non-service animal is a service animal,” Kagan said.

The bill was prompted by investigative reporter Heidi Hemmat’s two-part series that aired in February 2015.
The Problem Solvers investigation uncovered dozens of business selling service animal vests and certifications for a fee, with no proof of disability required.

Hemmat also tracked down Colorado company Chilhowee Psychological service in Woodland Park that registers “emotional support animals.” ESAs are allowed to fly in the cabin of an airplane for free.

The investigation also exposed licensed Colorado counselor Stanford Scott Sutherland for sending letters deeming people he never met, “mentally disabled” in order for them to fly with their “emotional support animal” for free.

As a result of the report, Sutherland’s license is under investigation for possible ethics violations with the Colorado Department of Regulatory agencies. Newell was outrage by the report.

“Thank you so much for bringing this story forward because this has really given the genesis for this bill,” Newell said.

The bill is expected to be introduced at the Capitol on Wednesday.

People caught misrepresenting their pets as service animals could face misdemeanor charges and a $350 fine for the first offense, $600 for the second offense and $1,000 for the third offense.[/i]

It’s hard to prove a negative. If there are no legitimate entities certifying/licensing service animals, then how does Colorado expect to prove an animal isn’t one? And more importantly, how does someone with an actual service animal prove that theirs is legitimate?

There really needs to be an authority or licensing entity for these animals so it can be proven that an animal is a legitimate service animal.

[QUOTE=gumtree;8570423]
I don’t see it as being any big deal.
[/QUOTE]It’s a big deal if you are allergic to dogs.

I noticed lately a huge increase of people putting out ads looking for puppies to train for service dogs. If these people really need a service dog there’s so many organizations that provides those dogs and they don’t cost anything to the people who need them. A lot of people are asking for free pups for service dogs, getting the fake certificates so they can have a dog where they live. It’s getting out of control.

[QUOTE=yaya;8578570]
It’s hard to prove a negative. If there are no legitimate entities certifying/licensing service animals, then how does Colorado expect to prove an animal isn’t one? And more importantly, how does someone with an actual service animal prove that theirs is legitimate?

There really needs to be an authority or licensing entity for these animals so it can be proven that an animal is a legitimate service animal.[/QUOTE]

It is HIGHLY recommended that if you are training your own service dog that you keep thorough records and documentation, with photos/videos when possible, to show the training hours, classes and testing the dog has completed. The training logs are what will save your behind if you’re ever called into question or have any legal issues. You would then also need to provide proof that you are in fact, disabled. But yes, it is hard to prove/disprove one way or another, but the threat of legal action and having to go to court would discourage a decent amount of fakers. Make it like a speeding ticket, you can pay $X and admit guilt, or you can fight it in court.

My guess would be that most of the cases that go to court would be dismissed just from caring enough to show up and fight it, but the more of a hassle it is to fake it the less likely people would be to do it. Many states have laws like this, which helps, but shutting down unethical doctors like the one writing scripts for patients he’s never met will go farther.

It will take a while, but the airlines are going to push back hard and I think eventually we’ll end up with an FAA ruling that allows Service Animals but not Emotional Support Animals to travel on planes. And that is probably a reasonable demarcation. We have to balance the rights of one traveler with the rights of 200 other travelers and drawing a the line between an animal which actually performs a function you can’t do for yourself and one which makes you feel better by being around is probably as close as we can come to preserving everyone’s rights.

This is really a hot topic for me. I fly a lot and have flown with quite a few real service dogs who I did not know were even on the plane until we landed and were exiting the plane. The real service dogs are amazing. All the ones I’ve seen were large dogs (although I know some organizations that train small ones) who could fold themselves up into a small space and remain there quietly for quite a long time. I have no problem with these dogs traveling but then I’d rather have a dog than a baby next to me. I’ve also flown with military working dogs who were indeed muzzled. Again, wouldn’t have known the dog was there if I hadn’t caught a glimpse of it.

The number of fake service animals and ESAs I seen in the airport keeps going up. The day before Thanksgiving I almost broke a leg in a very busy, very large airport as I was headed for my plane. A young retriever in a vest was on the end of a long leash looking nervous while a woman held the leash, oblivious to the fact that you don’t let a dog have six feet of leash in a busy place. The number of pet dogs I see in the airport out of their under seat carriers is ridiculous too. If you want to travel with your dogs you need to follow the rules. And as much as I love my dogs, I know not everybody else does.

I do feel sorry for the flight crews (and the employees of stores, restaurants, etc) who have to deal with this mess. It’s inconsiderate and idiotic to think you should be able to sneak your dogs in places where dogs aren’t allowed by passing them off as service dogs. I would love to take my dogs more places but they aren’t allowed most places so I seek out places that do welcome them. I always ask if it’s ok to sit on a restaurant patio with them. Even in places that do allow them (the feed store, the outdoor mall) I keep them on a short leash and I’m careful not to let them approach people unless people want to visit with them. If they make a mess I apologize and clean it up.

It’s just basic good manners - like not letting your kid stare at strangers over the back of a booth in a restaurant or not letting them run around a restaurant where they can trip servers carrying trays of food. When we stay in a hotel that allows dogs I try to be exceedingly considerate. I even bring an old sheet to throw on the bed to protect the hotel’s bedding from dog hair because my dogs sleep on the bed. If we want our dogs to be allowed in more places we need to be considerate and respectful of the places that do allow them.

Both of my dogs have passed their CGC. One has passed her therapy dog test. I would take her on a plane if it were allowed because I know she’d behave and she’d probably make a lot of people happy (that’s what she does in her work as a therapy dog). But I would never pass her off as a service dog or an ESA. It’s just wrong. One of my friends brought her therapy dog into a restaurant on a cross-country trip because it was too hot for the dog to stay in the car. I told her what I thought of that. I’ve been in that situation myself and eaten at McDonalds because I could eat in the car with the A/C running or I could sit outside with the dog.

I think the whole service dog/ESA thing is going to explode at some point in the not too distant future. These dogs need to be evaluated and registered and reevaluated periodically. They need to wear an ID with a picture of them. They need to be chipped. And they need a three strikes and you’re out rule or something similar. My therapy dog and I (the dog/handler team) passed a pretty extensive test to make sure she’s suitable for the work she does and we need to retest every two years. I had to pass a written test and she had to be examined by a veterinarian. If something occurs while we’re working I gave to file an incident report. That’s just to be able to visit people in hospitals or work with kids in schools. To be able to walk through an airport the day before Thanksgiving and be on a plane for a cross-country trip? You bet the service dogs should have to pass a test.

I have great respect for the real service dogs and I understand the services they perform for people who really need them. It pisses me off that some idiot who thinks he should be able to take his dog anywhere jeopardizes the right of someone who really needs a service dog to be able to take that service dog anywhere.

On on the other hand, I wish the US were more like some of the European countries in regards to dogs. I’ve been in many a cafe or coffee shop in Europe and seen dogs in there with their owners, resting quietly and incredibly well-behaved. But then, most of the children in Europe tend to be better behaved than the majority of kids in the US.

[QUOTE=yaya;8578570]
It’s hard to prove a negative. If there are no legitimate entities certifying/licensing service animals, then how does Colorado expect to prove an animal isn’t one? And more importantly, how does someone with an actual service animal prove that theirs is legitimate?

There really needs to be an authority or licensing entity for these animals so it can be proven that an animal is a legitimate service animal.[/QUOTE]

I’m skeptical of an official licensing entity because I think it’s way too open for fraud, but I don’t know how else to do it.

I guess you’d have to certify certain trainers. That’s where my skepticism comes in. There is only one person I know for a fact trains service dogs and has the record of placed dogs to prove it. Not that there aren’t more people, of course, just that I only know one who is totally legit. IOW, one has to present more than a bandanna or a vest to prove service dog. Where was the dog trained? And time has to be allowed for that trainer to be contacted and say yes, that dog is fully trained as a service animal, or no, it is not, or no, I never heard of that dog or those people in my life.

Wasn’t it on Coth that someone posted about a service Turkey being taken to ride on a plane?

If I needed a service dog I would gladly pay for a first class seat for the dog (or the Turkey). I learned doing rescue work at the Atlanta airport how dangerous it is for dogs to fly. They are often dropped in their crates and get loose and get run over on the interstates… Or disappear forever. I met a German guy who offered 10,000 for the recovery of his dog who had starred on his TV show in Germany. Dog was never found. Ditto all the other dogs I was a volunteer to try to find. We did discover a family of foxes living at the airport though.

Like others have said, I’d rather ride with dogs (or even maybe a Turkey) on a plane rather than most people. I would not turn anyone in for a fake service dog. Nobody likes a snitch. Although I do remember when I was living in Atlanta that Zsa Zsa Gabor was kicked off a flight there, but she was the problem not her little yapping dog.

[QUOTE=Anne FS;8578537]
OP, does your friend live in Colorado?[/QUOTE]

Nope. Mid-Atlantic.

[QUOTE=ThreeHorseNight;8579027]
To be able to walk through an airport the day before Thanksgiving and be on a plane for a cross-country trip? You bet the service dogs should have to pass a test. [/QUOTE]

Owners don’t seem to consider how stressful and frightening the experience is for their pets. Most of these pets couldn’t happily/peacefully navigate through a store. Now you’re going to force them onto a plane?! :no:

If I had a SD, I don’t know how in the world I would prepare them for air travel (since SDiT do not have public access). I know it would take tons, TONS of training, generalizing, proofing, and counterconditioning.

I have noted the presence of these emotional support animals on my trips to the USA. This summer when DH and I were in California we noted that most of the attractions actually had signage forbidding them (e.g. the sign said that service dogs covered under Accessibility Laws were permitted, no others).

I was actually pretty shocked to read that airlines do allow emotional support dogs, given that they are not covered under those laws (or at least that is the way I understand it).

I am torn on this as I do believe that there are those who truly benefit from such a dog. I have watched a few programs and read articles of veterans for example, who have trained animals to cope with anxiety, PTSD, etc. These animals change their lives.

But, the marketplace is also flooded with these bogus services that will essentially allow you to pay to get the ‘official’ letter you need. These people ruin it for everyone.

This article shows (hilariously) how the system is broken. I’ve posted it on a similar thread before: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/20/pets-allowed

Kind of OT…

I’m curious as to how you actually make sure that any service dog will be good on a plane, without having them fly? Or, the emotional support animals. I would think the only way to know is to get them up there. The sounds and the ears popping have to be pretty hard for them.

I know several service dogs- I actually know someone who has a real service dog, and takes along her other dog, who may, or may not be, everywhere they go. I ran into her at a very nice restaurant, and was shocked that she had them both in there, but just left it alone.

My English springer has a vest and I did not have her trained by anyone but me. However she can demonstrate on request her ability to retrieve items I’ve dropped, (it is hard for me to bend over) open and close doors and drawers, heel off lead and leave it no matter what the distraction is. She’s patient, kind and has eaten in many restaurants where other patrons have been shocked to see her get off my feet and out from under the table and walk out on my heel. She’s certainly not sniffing at food or wandering an aisle on a flexi (I hate those!).

She can also smell it when I start to have an attack of pancreatitis and will whine and circle. Sometimes it gives me 2-3 hours before the agonizing pain starts to get crap in order and be ready to go to the hospital. It definitely is useful in the car or when I’m out and about.

Do I bring her everywhere? No. Especially if I’m only going to be out for a short time. Would I bring her on a plane? With no hesitation whatsoever. But she also weighs 30lbs and her goal in life is to try and meld with my skin so she would never be in the aisle or someone else’s seat - she won’t physically go that far from me without being forced.

Now, DD’s ex trainer slapped a service vest on her very much not a service dog bulldog to get it into the Verizon Center during WIHS. While I’m not surprised, when we ran into them on the concourse it was really, really hard not to say “so, what happened to you that you have a disability now?” because I know 100% it was simply because dogs are not allowed at WIHS unless they are service animals.

[QUOTE=Twigster;8573519]
I fail to see what is wrong with muzzling your dog for it’s safety while it is doing a job? If that Mal legitimately has food intolerance issues, and was my working dog, I too would muzzle it to ensure 100% compliance with it’s prescribed diet. I wouldn’t want to rely only on my vigilance as a handler for keeping my dog fit for the work I needed it to do.

Unless you are saying that Malinois aren’t fit to be SDs? Maybe not for a novice handler, but hardly is there a better working breed than the Mal.

As far as dogs on planes with passengers who have allergies, that is just an issue that people have to face and deal with the airline personnel. Perhaps the plane can reassign seats to separate those passengers as much as possible. SD handler and their SD, and passengers with allergies all have a right to travel.[/QUOTE]

So who wins? The person whose allergies are disabling (limiting their activities and outings to dog-free places) or the disabled person who requires a service dog everywhere they go?

Maybe some company should pop up that specializes in flying people and their dogs (service, companion, therapy, pet) to various destinations. It would start off as a small business but would probably grow over time.

I am not saying this tongue in cheek.

[QUOTE=dotneko;8572944]
I would be really annoyed if I was in the opposite aisle seat. I am not a dog person and absolutely don’t want to be forced into close quarters with them. I am so sick of the ‘everybody has to luvvvv snookums and he couldn’t possibly fly other than right next to me’ mentality. Keep your damned dog out of my space - it is small enough as it is on an airplane. If you are legitimately handicapped, then fine. Sorry, I don’t count emotional service dogs in that category.
What about my emotional security? I am convinced snookums is going to bite me and I will be in fear the whole flight - where are my rights?[/QUOTE]

Thank you!!! It’s a plane, not a kennel. I don’t want someone’s stinky dog panting or drooling over a seat at me on an hours-long flight.

And for those who say they aren’t pissed…wait till 30 Snookums get priority boarding ahead of them.

[QUOTE=RPM;8582144]
So who wins? The person whose allergies are disabling (limiting their activities and outings to dog-free places) or the disabled person who requires a service dog everywhere they go?

Maybe some company should pop up that specializes in flying people and their dogs (service, companion, therapy, pet) to various destinations. It would start off as a small business but would probably grow over time.

I am not saying this tongue in cheek.[/QUOTE]

I can’t imagine people with seeing eye dogs, seizure alert dogs, etc. being required to seek out special transportation.
I asked a flight attendant what happened if one person had a seeing eye dog and another had allergies probably close to 30 years ago, and she said serious issues are rare but you move passengers so that they can be as far from each other as possible, and that other than that there was nothing else that could be done.
It is a difficult issue and I don’t know anything at all about service dogs. I do wish there were more options for flying pets, like a company that would fly pets separately without them having to be with the luggage and with trained personnel. I don’t know that I could fly an animal commercial because I would be so nervous about heat stroke, escapes, pressure drops, cold, and on and on. However, I think we will see that only for pet dogs and not for service dogs.

OP I feel you. I went to SO’s graduation and was a dog with a “service dog” vest and it was also muzzled. The dog was also growling, sniffing everything and dragging it’s handler around. During the ceremony it did not sit still, at all. Not only did it obviously not have the level of training that real service animals get (like the GSD posted about earlier in the thread) but it clearly lacked any basic dog training whatsoever.

Then after the ceremony we went outside and I saw the girl take the service dog vest and muzzle off and shove it in her bag. I guess doggie’s “services” are only needed in areas where no pets are allowed.

I’m pretty sure there IS at least one business that devotes planes to flying pets. It is incredibly expensive. It is probably not a service you would use to take your dog with you for a long weekend.

Hey, if they can allow screaming 2 year old kids to sit on the laps of their parents (ask me about a recent experience) then I think it’s perfectly reasonable to allow dogs on planes too. I’m sick of hearing horror stories about airlines “losing” pets… a friend of mine just flew recently into a smaller airport late at night - terminal deserted- no dog. Turned out they “forgot” to take the poor pup off the plane. She had to make a scene in the airport; practically got arrested in fact- to find an idiot gate person to go check it out. I’d take dogs over obnoxious kids any day. Where do you find those service vests, by the way? :smiley: