Because I can barely fit with perhaps 6 inches in front of my knees. He clearly cannot sit under the seat in front - how would he not be in my space? I have a very real fear of dogs. I will NOT step over one to get to the restroom.
An airplane is just too small a space to stick a dog without interfering with the normal activity in a plane. I WILL NOT spend my hard earned money on a cramped space and have to share it with a disgusting, hairy, slobbery, stinking dog. A lawsuit from someone tripping over it is probably the quickest way for the airline industry to take a stand.
Why on earth would you think that flying with pets is becoming a “thing” – other than the misuse/abuse of service dog designations? Is this the next step in the entitlement parade – every kid gets a trophy, everyone needs a safe space, now everyone needs uninterrupted access to their pet? It’s a freakin’ pet! I feel better when I’m with my cats too, but I’m an adult and I can function without them too. I don’t see restaurants, movie theaters, grocery stores changing their rules for anything but true SERVICE DOGS. I refuse to believe that the selfish jerks who take advantage of that are truly going to change the airline industry and the world as we know it.
I would be perfectly happy if certain planes made soundproof, climate controlled pet travel areas in some non-passenger area of the plane. I’m amazed this hasn’t been done before. Maybe the market won’t bear the cost.
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What if,
Instead of the existing, easily circumvented rules, all dogs who are able to pass the AKC Canine Good Citizen Test are welcome on a plane?[/QUOTE]
It’s a nice idea but the CGC test is so incredibly watered down now it means nothing. I did one of the original ones back when it first started and it was a decent test. No big deal, but adequate. I’ve done them through the years and the last one was about 2 years ago - my god, any dog could - and DID - pass that day. Pathetic.
I’d go for saying an AKC CD title and you can fly. That’s basic obedience, including good behavior in close proximity to other dogs. And any dog, mixed breeds as well, can get earn the title, and it’s 3 times you have to pass, so not just one and done.
[QUOTE=csaper58;8574510]
What if,
Instead of the existing, easily circumvented rules, all dogs who are able to pass the AKC Canine Good Citizen Test are welcome on a plane?[/QUOTE]
It’s a nice idea but the CGC test is so incredibly watered down now it means nothing. I did one of the original ones back when it first started and it was a decent test. No big deal, but adequate. I’ve done them through the years and the last one was about 2 years ago - my god, any dog could - and DID - pass that day. Pathetic.
I’d go for saying an AKC CD title and you can fly. That’s basic obedience, including good behavior in close proximity to other dogs. And any dog, mixed breeds as well, can get earn the title, and it’s 3 times you have to pass, so not just one and done.
Why on earth would you think that flying with pets is becoming a “thing” – other than the misuse/abuse of service dog designations? Is this the next step in the entitlement parade – every kid gets a trophy, everyone needs a safe space, now everyone needs uninterrupted access to their pet? It’s a freakin’ pet! I feel better when I’m with my cats too, but I’m an adult and I can function without them too. I don’t see restaurants, movie theaters, grocery stores changing their rules for anything but true SERVICE DOGS. I refuse to believe that the selfish jerks who take advantage of that are truly going to change the airline industry and the world as we know it.
I would be perfectly happy if certain planes made soundproof, climate controlled pet travel areas in some non-passenger area of the plane. I’m amazed this hasn’t been done before. Maybe the market won’t bear the cost.
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It’s a nice idea but the CGC test is so incredibly watered down now it means nothing. I did one of the original ones back when it first started and it was a decent test. No big deal, but adequate. I’ve done them through the years and the last one was about 2 years ago - my god, any dog could - and DID - pass that day. Pathetic.
I’d go for saying an AKC CD title and you can fly. That’s basic obedience, including good behavior in close proximity to other dogs. And any dog, mixed breeds as well, can get earn the title, and it’s 3 times you have to pass, so not just one and done.[/QUOTE]
I have not witnessed CGC testing for over 5 years, at that time the examiner was very strict, no leniency at all. I’m sad to hear of the changes.
That appears to be an underlying issue here, lack of trust in a certification’s value.
What is AKC CD title, is it a test like CGC?
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I have not witnessed CGC testing for over 5 years, at that time the examiner was very strict, no leniency at all. I’m sad to hear of the changes.
That appears to be an underlying issue here, lack of trust in a certification’s value.
What is AKC CD title, is it a test like CGC?[/QUOTE]
I don’t care if your dog has a dispensation from the Pope.
I recently flew from San Francisco to Cabo San Lucas, seven dogs on the plane. Yup seven. What are the odds statistically that there were that many disabled folks on our flight? The was one legitimate canine companion in first class with us but the others were a boxer, ratty little dog, pug, big ass mutt dog, german short hair and a toy poodle.
The Canine Companion had his vest on and was a seizure dog. He didn’t move a muscle nor did we hear a peep from him during the entire flight. We heard every other dog bark, yip, etc. during the flight. Apparently one of the little dogs peed in the back of the plane in the steward area.
We spoke with the flight attendant in first class along with the folks with the legitimate Canine Companion. They both voiced that the issues with fake service dogs are real. The flight attendant told us that their hands were tied and there is nothing they could do about it. The owner of the Canine Companion says that she is challenged time and time again going into stores, restaurants etc. due to all the idiots with their fake service dogs causing mayhem wherever they go.
I’ve seen the fake service dog bull with my own eyes at events I’ve worked at. I have had to tell folks to leave with their dogs, while handing them a printed copy of the ADA rules after their dog took a huge crap in a dining area. We had another so called service dog bite a child, and on it went for years each season. Even had one so called service dog puppy lift his freaking leg on my god damn Gucci purse. Considering this puppy was with every family member on different occasions I have a hard time believing he was any kind of service anything.
I adore dogs, have three but I don’t like the fact that people who genuinely aren’t in need of an honest to God service animal think it’s ok to game the system; making it harder on the truly disabled folks who need and rely on their dogs for their very lives. It’s selfish, it’s illegal and it needs to stop.
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I don’t care if your dog has a dispensation from the Pope.[/QUOTE]
Thank you a thousand times thank you!!!
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I recently flew from San Francisco to Cabo San Lucas, seven dogs on the plane. Yup seven. What are the odds statistically that there were that many disabled folks on our flight? The was one legitimate canine companion in first class with us but the others were a boxer, ratty little dog, pug, big ass mutt dog, german short hair and a toy poodle.
The Canine Companion had his vest on and was a seizure dog. He didn’t move a muscle nor did we hear a peep from him during the entire flight. We heard every other dog bark, yip, etc. during the flight. Apparently one of the little dogs peed in the back of the plane in the steward area.
We spoke with the flight attendant in first class along with the folks with the legitimate Canine Companion. They both voiced that the issues with fake service dogs are real. The flight attendant told us that their hands were tied and there is nothing they could do about it. The owner of the Canine Companion says that she is challenged time and time again going into stores, restaurants etc. due to all the idiots with their fake service dogs causing mayhem wherever they go.
I’ve seen the fake service dog bull with my own eyes at events I’ve worked at. I have had to tell folks to leave with their dogs, while handing them a printed copy of the ADA rules after their dog took a huge crap in a dining area. We had another so called service dog bite a child, and on it went for years each season. Even had one so called service dog puppy lift his freaking leg on my god damn Gucci purse. Considering this puppy was with every family member on different occasions I have a hard time believing he was any kind of service anything.
I adore dogs, have three but I don’t like the fact that people who genuinely aren’t in need of an honest to God service animal think it’s ok to game the system; making it harder on the truly disabled folks who need and rely on their dogs for their very lives. It’s selfish, it’s illegal and it needs to stop.[/QUOTE]
Thank you Brookes!
Everyone who sees all this as NBD, please read this post over and over again. Believe me, not a single legitimate service dog handler wants to be the first one to go into a restaurant after the faker that crapped on the floor. The amount of harassment and questioning, the denials of access, have all gone up exponentially since the “I want to take my dog everywhere too!” craze hit. It’s sad and it’s unfortunate. Would people care if these dogs were all as well behaved as a true service dog should be? Probably not. But by and large, the same entitled people who want to drag Fluffykins everywhere are also the ones who cannot be bothered to train (or housebreak!) Fluffy either.
And since I posted so many examples of “fakes on a plane” (see what I did there? :D) here’s how a properly trained service dog should be flying. In a tight tuck, under their owners foot space.
https://instagram.com/p/_qqaNIAuJQ/
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And since I posted so many examples of “fakes on a plane” (see what I did there? :D) here’s how a properly trained service dog should be flying. In a tight tuck, under their owners foot space.
https://instagram.com/p/_qqaNIAuJQ/[/QUOTE]
Just wondering where the owners legs are? Looks like their right leg is either in the aisle or in the next persons leg space?
Are they usually put in aisle or window seats? Obviously not emergency exit rows, though that is where there is more legroom.
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Just wondering where the owners legs are? Looks like their right leg is either in the aisle or in the next persons leg space?
Are they usually put in aisle or window seats? Obviously not emergency exit rows, though that is where there is more legroom.[/QUOTE]
Generally they are seated in bulkhead, because there is slightly more leg room there. I’m not sure in this example, but if not in bulkhead typically the people put their legs on the metal braces of the seat in front of them, or share the foot space next door if they’re traveling with a companion. They generally do as much as possible to avoid encroaching on a neighbors space, though I’m sure it has happened. If the plane is not fully booked, a lot of times the flight attendants will also leave an empty seat next to them to help avoid issues.
Thanks, because of course I need to fly twice more this month. I normally fly 3-4 times a year. Nooo, this year it is 4 times in March alone and another 4 times in April/May. I am just trying to avoid this - so if I booked an aisle seat I should have a better shot at not being next to a dog.
My last trip we had a cat in a carrier yowling for an hour of the 3 hour flight.
Silly me to think that screaming babies were my worst travelling nightmare.
I would think so, and you can always request to be moved away from the animal. While service dogs have to be accommodated ESAs may be bumped out of the cabin depending on how many there are on the flight and a few other factors. (Note: this is my understanding, but I have not seen that in practice). Nor do I know what they consider overbooked.
Although, with everybody lying about the service dog thing I see no reason to lye and say you have allergies to animals. Might be worth calling the airline after you book and telling them ahead of time.
The Canine companion on our flight was in first class so more room, however they did have the bulkhead seats. She was laying in front of the them the entire time. She never moved! You wouldn’t even know a dog was there. This is how a real service dog acts on a flight.
No drooling, barking, pooping, restless movement etc. These dogs are trained within an inch of their lives. Little fluffykins peeing, pooping on things and being an overall nuisance is not a service dog by any means.
Donetko I wouldn’t want to sit next to a big hairy drooling dog on a plan either. Well unless it was my big hairy drooling dog lol! But a true service dog is going to be almost invisible on a flight. It’s the fakers that get noticed.
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What is AKC CD title, is it a test like CGC?[/QUOTE]
It’s the most basic AKC obedience test. You have to qualify (earn a passing score which is 170 out of 200) at 3 separate trials and then you can put CD, for Companion Dog, after your dog’s name. The class is pinned 1-4 but anyone who “qualifies” gets a green qualifying ribbon and a “leg” towards the title. So you don’t have to be in the top 4 to earn your “legs.” I copied and pasted an outline of the exercises below. You have to pass each one. IOW, if you do awesome at all of them but the dog (for instance) doesn’t come when you call it, or if it lies down or moves on the Long Sit, then you have failed that exercise and don’t get a qualifying leg even if you were super at all the other exercises. So you can see that a dog that performs all the exercises correctly on 3 different days under 3 different judges is most likely a decently behaved dog. The variety of exercises show the dog walking quietly on leash and then off leash, having the handler step away and the dog is handled by a stranger, must stay while the handler walks away and then come when called - called ONCE, mind you, just once. The dog must come the first time. And finally, all the dogs sit in a row next to each other while the handlers walk away. So they must not only tolerate other dogs right next to them, but do so while they are off leash and their owners are away from them (other side of the ring). If you fail an exercise you just work on that one and enter another trial. (in which the dog then does that exercise perfectly but decides to blow off another one :lol: so you keep working with your dog and building the bond and really making a good canine citizen).
[i]Novice classes consist of six exercises worth a total of 200 points. Each handler and dog team enters the ring with 200 points; the judge then deducts points based on errors made by either the dog or the handler. A zero is scored if the dog fouls the ring or leaves the handler.
The first exercise is the "heel on leash and figure eight" worth 40 points. The rules require that the dog walk, on a loose leash, with the area between the dog's head and shoulders in line with the handler's left hip. The dog must remain in position as the handler goes fast, slow, left, and right and executes the figure eight on the judge's commands. Each time the judge says "halt," the dog must sit straight by the handler's side. A zero is scored if the dog is unmanageable.
The second exercise is the "stand for examination," worth 30 points. The dog must stand in position and stay while being examined by the judge while the handler stands six feet away. A zero is scored if the dog moves away or shows shyness or resentment, growls, snaps, or sits.
The third exercise is the "heel free," which is 40 points. This exercise is performed and scored the same as the "heel on leash" except that the dog is off-leash and there is no figure eight.
Exercise four is the "recall," worth 30 points. The dog must sit and stay where left by the handler until it is called, then go directly to the handler and sit in front. A zero is scored if the dog does not stay, does not come on the first call, or does not sit close enough for the handler to reach the its head. The dog must then return to heel position on command, either by walking around the handler or swinging into place.
Exercise five and six are done as a group. The "long sit" is for one minute; the "long down" for three minutes, both done off-leash with the handler standing across the ring. A zero is scored if the dog moves away from its place, visits another dog, or repeatedly barks or whines.[/i]Are dog whistles still around? Maybe if I get stuck, Ill pull out the whistle and get the untrained dogs barking and kicked off the plane…
This is just fantasizing folks before any knickers get twisted.
How many long downs are 3 hours? Is there a test that involves not moving or touching the shoe that is 6 inches from your nose that just came from a horse show with all its tantalizing smells?
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Are dog whistles still around? Maybe if I get stuck, Ill pull out the whistle and get the untrained dogs barking and kicked off the plane…
This is just fantasizing folks before any knickers get twisted.
How many long downs are 3 hours? Is there a test that involves not moving or touching the shoe that is 6 inches from your nose that just came from a horse show with all its tantalizing smells?[/QUOTE]
Obviously this is a puppy (would be considered a service dog prospect) but this is the level that a trained service dog should be at with its “leave it” skills.
https://instagram.com/p/6kMRWOqK_4/
Also, there were a lot more photos but how stinking cute is this little guy?
I wish there was an easier (safer for the dog) way to fly with big dogs. I’m not saying that to justify faking a service dog either.
I know it is a huge issue.
