Friesians in Yorkshire in the 1930s?

Can you share a link? It would be interesting to see them and how things have changed?

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Yes please. I like sources cited.

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They are called tobiano and overo where I live, no spotted horses here. Which is the same idea as skewbald and piebald, but more Spanish. So some of us follow European naming conventions just fine. :laughing:

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I don’t think so.
Piebald is black and white
Skewbald is “not black” (e.g. chestnut, bay, buckskin, palomino) and white.
Overo is (any) base color with white patches.
Tobiano is a white base with colored patches.
Not the same idea at all.

Do you call them Isabellas or Palominos?

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I saw it being filled at the sink on Sunday night and thought of you! It is quite a teapot, I agree. :slight_smile:

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Do you remember The Island Stallion? The “ugly” piebald stallion who came into Blue Valley to challenge Flame? Steve called him piebald, and Pitch reflected upon the name.
I wonder, if Walter Farley had been writing that book nowadays, if Steve would have said “paint” or “pinto” instead of “piebald”?
Because I grew up saying “piebald” and “skewbald” and that is what I still say, despite the weird looks I sometimes get lol.

Frock Flicks had a very interesting history on the Friesian, and why it became so popular in films.

I agree, as someone with a background in the arts, that the selection of the horses probably had more to do with what was available than historical research, though. Although ACGAS has tried to be rigorous about adhering to period details and language, ultimately it’s necessary to have animals that can tolerate conditions on-set, and riders who may not have much experience astride (if ridden). https://www.frockflicks.com/friesian-is-the-new-black/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=friesian-is-the-new-black

ACGAS!!!
I love it! It sounds like something the POTUS might get after eating burritos for breakfast.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

OTOH, POTUS looks like something that might have to be lanced on a Friesian’s fetlock …

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Something husband noticed when James put the ring in the bull’s nose, was that the peculiar tool James held up was a shoemaker’s bunion stretcher. Not even close to the tool needed for cutting the hole in the nose cartilage. He made a joke about how James would NEVER got a hole punched thru using that archaic looking tool provided by the film crew!! But they would have one REALLY angry bull on their hands after using it!

The devil with period movies is always in the details. Film folk are not often knowledgable in the specialty areas of horses, carriages, breeds in use “back then.” Fresian horses would also have been trimmed with short forelocks, short manes to not tangle in your reins. There were no hairy legged horses which shouted “draft blood” put to gentleman’s carriages. Clean legged, breedy looking horses were used by the gentry. And TBs, Cleveland Bays and various partbeds from these covered the ground faster too. Long hair was way too untidy to deal with on a daily basis. Bathing horses as we do now was unheard of, water came in mostly hand-pumped buckets, Horses were hand groomed clean EVERY day! Horses needed to be well groomed when out to being used, they relected on owner and his stablemen. Look at old paintings for P&P vintage horses that appear breedy, clean limbs, controlled manes and forelocks. Same for the TV series time frame photos. Long flowing tails were kept up nicely, combed out, especially on ladies riding horses, children’s ponies. But even then they were never dragging the ground as can be seen on modern horses. Dragging tails might cause an accident!

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In my illustrated P&P from the 19th century, Darcy and Bingley ride horses with docked tails (as they were likely used riding and driving). No nosebands, ridden lightly on the curb, as was typical then.

The more we get away from the previous century’s tack, often the more obviously anachronistic period drama’s tack and riding clothes are. In 90s period dramas, the saddles and bridles are minimally padded, at least, so was less obvious the tack was contemporary. Today, I’ve seen some recent period shows with horses in saddles with very padded knee flaps, nosebands, and so forth. Even riders with zippered boots!

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I really want it to be enamelware as I’ve a slight enamelware obsession. I think it might be crockery, though. I’m behind most folks as I only discovered the series through this thread. I’ll have to look at the filling at the sink scene and see if I can tell how heavy it is when empty.

It looks like enamelware to me. And since it was being filled at the sink, I imagine it was then put on the cooktop/stovetop to boil. If it were crockery it would be a teapot not a teakettle and they would measure the loose tea into it and then fill it from the kettle once the kettle had boiled. The pot would not be filled from the tap.

Do you know what they have been doing with it? I only really started paying attention to it this past Sunday night.

The kettle is shown briefly in this video (around 7:57’ marker), on top of the Aga stove, and a second or two later there is what looks like its matching coffee pot (or milk jug?) on the countertop beside the little white stove.

I don’t consider it a kettle b/c it sits on the table and they pour from it. That’s a teapot where I come from! I fill my pot at the faucet b/c I don’t want more water in my kettle than I need. It just takes longer to boil. Or less, then my pot of tea is all jacked up b/c I’ve measured the tea for the full put of water. I could also see heating my pot from the hot water tap (though I use boiling water to scald the pot, not just hot water).

Also, my enamelware pots never go on direct heat. I’m not a cowboy!! But, of course, I use an electric kettle so that’s completely different. But, I still thing they would have had a heavy kettle for boiling as tea would not be the only reason they’d want hot water.

So for me, it’s settled as a teapot. Also, in the pic above, it matches the chamber stick which I doubt is enamel, so that seems like a set of kitchen crockery to me.

ETA: a quick google turned up an enamelware chamber stick that looks remarkable similar!! So, maybe it is an enamelware set! Though still teapot, not kettle.

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Its presence on the table while they’re eating threw me too.
But then again, they’re eating in the kitchen, which to me seems very unusual for a household of that class in that era.
So I guess if the vets actually ate with the housekeeper, then they might just as likely have brought the kettle to the table.
All I know is, you don’t fill the pot at the tap. You fill the kettle at the tap, and then boil the kettle on the hob. You wouldn’t have been being a cowboy; a solid-fuel cooker like that Aga has burners at different distances from the hottest heat.
When the water starts to get hot you pour enough from the kettle into the pot to heat the pot; empty that, then refill the pot with the water once it’s boiled.
And it does have to boil in order to properly brew the tea.

That was just a joke about cowboys putting their coffee pots on the fire.

I have an Aga (and I’m in the market for another, which is fun!), and I drink no less than two pots of loose tea a day, so I’m well versed in tea prep!

And you wouldn’t make tea in the kettle and bring it to the table. No one brews tea in the kettle as tea isn’t the only reason you want hot water and the kettle is kept clean, not used to brew tea or coffee directly. I have quite a collection of vintage enamelware pots and none are meant as kettles - none have the over the top kettle handle, either. They are just teapots.

I note when they have breakfast in the dining room they use a china set. My daughter and I were wondering why they were breakfasting in the dining room when it’s usually the kitchen. I thought maybe it was a weekend (I think it was after the Daffodil Ball) thing?

I think in the past, a docked tail on a ridden horse would “say” this horse rode and drove. Black Beauty both rode and drove, though he was not ever mentioned as being docked. Docking probably was the choice of the breeder, since most horses were docked as foals. Had to have horses the market would buy. Driving horses often had docked tails “for safety” reasons. Bobbed off tails could not clamp down on a rein like a full tail can, so driver could regain control of the rein more easily. Paintings and photos showed both tail styles. Still in style with draft folks.

We have gotten reins caught under tails, horses did not get upset as we got reins loose again. But we are not driving in heavy city traffic with hot horses, other horses to get spooked. Our, drivers seat is much lower than coachman driven coaches or the big vehicles often seen in P&P type stories. Draft wagons used for moving freight, deliveries, were also high seats. They could not reach down to get full tails free of a clamped reins .

Do Aga ranges have a water reservoir? They could make tea without using a kettle on the range. Most American cast iron stoves had water reservoirs with hot water ready to use anytime it was needed. My aunt living on a ranch without power, had such a range. We learned about the many great details when we visited. Warming drawers above, a couple gallons of water in the reservoir to fix coffee or soup, wash dishes or dirty faces!

Oh for crying out loud, I don’t really give a rat’s teat.
I do enjoy researching things so I was enjoying researching that green utensil; I also enjoy making tea the traditional way although these days I don’t bother, because I don’t have to go through all the rigmarole. It was never a “tea ceremony” for me anyway.

I could probably ask my older English friends what they thing of the green utensil and how they’ve made tea over the decades, but most of them drink coffee now and those who still prefer tea use tea bags because that’s so much more convenient than the old 1930s way.

You might as well wonder why Mrs Hall doesn’t use a tea cosy once she’s brought the green utensil to the table! lol

Wow, that was surprisingly uncivil and shrill for a person who just moments ago was schooling me on filling kettles and how one brews tea and what an Aga is, as though I couldn’t possibly know that information. I guess I’m glad you weren’t talking down to me about something you DO “give a rat’s teat” about. lol, as you say.

Look, I was enjoying chatting about the period details. Then you highjacked the whole thing with your, not my, pot v. kettle tangent. I was trying to be polite and chat along about it and then even tried to gently deflect your condescending to me about how one prepares tea. All along I was civil to you and polite. Your last response was really uncalled for and took the fun out of the whole conversation. Please feel free to PM me if you want. I won’t respond here any longer b/c your tangent and subsequent nastiness towards me has really spoilt the thread and it would nice to get it back on track.

Sorry to all, I just quite liked the tea pot and had no idea it would take this direction.