Frosted

I know he’s a Tappit son however, isn’t $50K a bit much for him??

yes

I would have put him at $25-30k. That does seem a bit high.

Does seem a bit high but I still suspect he’ll get a decent book.

Has a fee been announced for Chrome?? If not, that will be interesting (and if he’ll stand in CA or KY).

Apart from the fact that TB stud fees are ridiculous all around… not really.

His pedigree is darn good. He’s set stakes records, track records, etc. Had he not the misfortune of running into some of the best dirt horses of this century, he likely would have received a lot more accolade. He’s the whole package.

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Does seem a bit high but I still suspect he’ll get a decent book.

Has a fee been announced for Chrome?? If not, that will be interesting (and if he’ll stand in CA or KY).[/QUOTE]

He will stand at Taylor Made in KY since they own part of him. They have not announced anything so my money is on him racing next year too.

I expected Frosted around $40k but $50k makes sense. He won all three years he raced, was Grade 2 placed as a 2yo, Grade 1 winner and classic placed at three, MG1W at four and has an excellent family behind him (arguably the best bred of the freshman class so far). With freshman stud fees this year, it fits right in.

Chrome’s fee for 2017 set at 40k. Shows how much I know!

The plan has been to run in the Pegasus and retire him, which would leave plenty of time for the 2017 season. Maybe it’s possible he stays racing if he runs REALLY well, but I doubt it.

(And I’d take Chrome at $40k before I touched Frosted at $50k. Frosted’s nice, but not THAT nice.)

I’m actually surprised Chrome is at the Nyquist level fee and not level or slightly above Frosted. I thought he’d be between $55-60k.

Frosted’s pedigree is in a different league than Nyquist’s or Chrome’s, being from two generations of multiple graded stakes winners who have produced multiple graded stakes winners themselves. He was consistently in the money in graded stakes races at 2, 3, and 4 years of age, not to mention nearly $4M in earnings and a really successful 3 year old Triple Crown campaign. I’ll say it again-- he’s the whole package.

Chrome is a freak of nature. There are a lot of things I sentimentally love about his pedigree, with the heavy Maryland representation and the inbreeding to Numbered Account. But I’ll still be very surprised if he passes his ability on to his progeny. Maybe he’ll be another Tiznow, but the odds are not in his favor.

As for Nyquist… time will tell. I think he’s priced appropriately for the market and checks most of the boxes.

Kentucky Derby winners of recent generations historically haven’t been the most successful sires. Doesn’t stop folks from using them when they are new, though.

Great discussion for me to follow as I have my personal thoughts but sure don’t have the more extended background that some of you have :slight_smile:

I’ve never been on the Chrome boat and yes, his pedigree isn’t at the level of a Frosted.

Will be interesting of the 2017 first year stallions who proves to have earned their 2017 stud fee. Just have to wait and see …

I agree with Texarkana. At “only” $10K difference, Frosted has a much better pedigree. Yes, Chrome may have more victories and more $ earnings (and beat Frosted) but I think much of the bloodstock world considers him to have outrun his pedigree-- and the odds of him passing that on is a gamble. All breeding is a crapshoot, but the deep female family behind Frosted, and the incredible proven success of Tapit (compared to Lucky Pulpit), will probably make breeders lean toward him instead of Chrome. They’re from the same sireline-- both grandsons of Pulpit-- but by and large I think Frosted will have a bigger, better quality book of mares for the first 3 years until/if Chromelings prove themselves on the track.

Just saw the article about Chrome in Bloodhorse.

Sounds like Taylor Made has been buying mares this week to support Chrome’s first book :slight_smile:

I’m with those who would go for Frosted.

Or, for $40K, I’d take Honor Code.

Chrome is fantastic, but I am not sure he’s passing along his ability. Hopefully he will. I know I’ll get slammed for this, but his conformation worries me. It’s a testament to him that he is so sound, but his leg conformation when looking at him head-on is concerning. He almost looks knock-kneed in front in many photos, and when looking at him from behind, his hind looks almost post legged. As a breeder I’d be concerned he could pass that along to offspring who may not be as durable as he is. That is not a knock on the horse…again, kudos to him for his durability!

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Chrome is fantastic, but I am not sure he’s passing along his ability. Hopefully he will. I know I’ll get slammed for this, but his conformation worries me. It’s a testament to him that he is so sound, but his leg conformation when looking at him head-on is concerning. He almost looks knock-kneed in front in many photos, and when looking at him from behind, his hind looks almost post legged. As a breeder I’d be concerned he could pass that along to offspring who may not be as durable as he is. That is not a knock on the horse…again, kudos to him for his durability![/QUOTE]

You’re not the only one worried about that. It’s been something talked about since his 3yo season (when he first hit big). I’ve seen more foals by Lucky Pulpit than just Chrome have that conformation flaw so it’s definitely not a one-horse deal.

I think he looks a lot better conformation-wise as he’s matured.

He’ll have a happy retirement, he sure has earned it !