FT Kentucky Sales

[snaffle1987]

@LaurieB

A video, like a photo, might whet someone’s appetite. It won’t make a sale. There are many things buyers look for that can’t be seen on a video.

Factor in the cost of a video–probably $1,000 or so to do right, on top of the other sales costs (5-10K for a modestly priced horse) and I can see why most sellers don’t bother, even in 2019.

The people who complain the loudest about the lack of vidoes are internet browsers, not actual buyers. And sellers are well aware of that too.

You don’t need to hire Thorostride to do your videos. Most of these horses are sold through agents, often large outfits, who prep them for sales and get them to the arena. that is their business. Taylor Made did their own sales videos this year and they are quite nice, probably done through their own staff. You can find the videos of their consignments on their own website.

Most of these big units have their own marketing staff. A good/decent quality camera and some basic editing software, a good turned out horse and a sunny day is all you need.

Agreed that a video can hide a lot of things but a video could certainly start conversation on a horse many people wouldn’t even lookup in the barns for further evaluation and in hindsight it can save someone time looking over every horse in the sale based on paper only to be disappointed by half of what they looked at. if they could eliminate a horse from their consideration right off the bat (based on a simple video), they can concentrate on the horses who struck their fancy. This also eliminates wasting the time and energy of sale staff presenting the horse. Sometimes spending a little extra to go the extra mile can start a trend that can pay off for both parties in the long run.

[LaurieB]

@snaffle1987

You don’t need to hire Thorostride to do your videos. Most of these horses are sold through agents, often large outfits, who prep them for sales and get them to the arena. that is their business. Taylor Made did their own sales videos this year and they are quite nice, probably done through their own staff. You can find the videos of their consignments on their own website.

Most of these big units have their own marketing staff. A good/decent quality camera and some basic editing software, a good turned out horse and a sunny day is all you need.

I find that quote about the ease of making a good video to be at odds with your derogatory comment from post #17 about one that was not produced well enough for your taste.

not much of a video but here is one of the Runhappy’s selling in the sale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3iA1NHfd10

By the way, we know who consignors are and what they do. You don’t have to keep trying to educate us about stuff you’ve read about. Many of the rest of us are actually doing it.

[LaurieB]

@snaffle1987

Agreed that a video can hide a lot of things but a video could certainly start conversation on a horse many people wouldn’t even lookup in the barns for further evaluation and in hindsight it can save someone time looking over every horse in the sale based on paper only to be disappointed by half of what they looked at. if they could eliminate a horse from their consideration right off the bat (based on a simple video), they can concentrate on the horses who struck their fancy. This also eliminates wasting the time and energy of sale staff presenting the horse. Sometimes spending a little extra to go the extra mile can start a trend that can pay off for both parties in the long run.

If someone isn’t interested in a horse (don’t like its sire, its color, its consignor, whatever) why would they bother watching the video?

The reason good agents look at every horse in a sale is because they know that videos can’t show them the intangibles that are equally important to evaluating their interest in a horse. So they don’t want their time to be saved. They want to get out there and do their job right.

As for consignors, they never feel that they are wasting time or energy when showing a horse to a potential buyer. Because you never know what might strike a person’s fancy and bring in some extra bids. So it’s great when someone comes to a consignment and wants to see everything.

You’re endorsing “a trend that can pay off for both parties” that neither party wants. :no:

[Texarkana]

I watched all the videos in a fit of insomnia. After about the third video, they all started looking the same to me. Based on video alone, I couldn’t pick you a decent horse out of the lot to save my life. :lol:

A fun feature, but pretty useless as a stand alone tool. You’d be better off just buying based on the catalog page if going the sight unseen route.

With that said, I remember liking hips 42, 167, 231, 221, 187… or at least I think it was those… like I said, they were all running together…

[skydy]

Was it Fasig Tipton or Keeneland that had the Turf Sale that didn’t go over well? They probably won’t do that again.

Snaffle1987, buyers and agents are looking at temperament and presence as well as conformation and movement, and you can’t really see that from a short video. They are looking at the records in the repository as well.

It’s fun to watch the videos when you can’t attend, but people who are buying horses either attend or have their agent attend. They are making a substantial investment and they aren’t going to do that without seeing the horse.

Regarding C.C. the breeders are saying that C.C.'s get are “all over the place”, he’s not stamping them.
Just because you see two chestnut yearlings doesn’t mean he’s reproducing himself. Some stallions get are easily identified and some aren’t. Apparently his aren’t.

[snaffle1987]

we can agree to disagree. I think videos would be an added bonus to sellers and buyers. You don’t. that’s fine.

Carry on.

[snaffle1987]

You can see the 2 California Chrome offerings from Taylor Made here (you need to enter your email and name to access):

Lot 109 is a Chrome filly (hit play button in link)
http://tmsaecatalog.com/19FTJUL/96/hip/109

Lot 141 is a Chrome colt out of Beholden. (hit play button in link)
http://tmsaecatalog.com/19FTJUL/96/hip/141

I think these 2 are very much cut from the same cloth. Both very nice looking.

[skydy]

Some people who are actually in the business have videos made, and most don’t. That should give you a clue as to the value of videos in relation to sales. These people are professionals. Breeding and sales are their jobs. Believe it or not, they know what they are doing.

[skydy]

@snaffle1987

You can see the 2 California Chrome offerings from Taylor Made here (you need to enter your email and name to access):

Lot 109 is a Chrome filly (hit play button in link)
http://tmsaecatalog.com/19FTJUL/96/hip/109

Lot 141 is a Chrome colt out of Beholden. (hit play button in link)
http://tmsaecatalog.com/19FTJUL/96/hip/141

I think these 2 are very much cut from the same cloth. Both very nice looking.

I don’t give out my email address that freely and I won’t give it to Taylor Made. I can watch the sales and see the yearlings there.

As I mentioned before a sample size of two is not valid in assessing whether a horse stamps his get. There will be a chance to see more of his get at the Keeneland sale as there are many more yearlings in that sale. There are also many that won’t be in the sales for one reason or another.

I’ll take Duncan Taylor’s word that C.C. is not stamping his get, since Taylor Made is standing the stallion.

[snaffle1987]

@skydy

I don’t give out my email address that freely and I won’t give it to Taylor Made. I can watch the sales and see the yearlings there.

As I mentioned before a sample size of two is not valid in assessing whether a horse stamps his get. There will be a chance to see more of his get at the Keeneland sale as there are many more yearlings in that sale. There are also many that won’t be in the sales for one reason or another.

I’ll take Duncan Taylor’s word that C.C. is not stamping his get, since Taylor Made is standing the stallion.

on Page 1 other posters were asking about California chrome offspring and how they looked. That’s why I posted it. Don’t want to give away your email or info; then don’t.
Several of his weanlings sold in the winter sales and were cut from the same cloth

and if Duncan Taylor says hes not stamping them then expect their breedings to their own stallion to plummet and expect California Chrome to go to Korea and disappear. Way to promote your own stallions in the barn :rolleyes:

[skydy]

@snaffle1987

on Page 1 other posters were asking about California chrome offspring and how they looked. That’s why I posted it. Don’t want to give away your email or info; then don’t.
Several of his weanlings sold in the winter sales and were cut from the same cloth

and if Duncan Taylor says hes not stamping them then expect their breedings to their own stallion to plummet and expect California Chrome to go to Korea and disappear. Way to promote your own stallions in the barn :rolleyes:

What? You seem to be opining on a subject (breeding horses) about which you are neither educated nor experienced.

Just because a stallion doesn’t stamp his get, it doesn’t mean that he is producing inferior foals.

[Texarkana]

Not stamping your get can prove to be a good thing with time so long as your foals are fast. Look at Mr. P.

[LaurieB]

@snaffle1987

on Page 1 other posters were asking about California chrome offspring and how they looked. That’s why I posted it. Don’t want to give away your email or info; then don’t.
Several of his weanlings sold in the winter sales and were cut from the same cloth

and if Duncan Taylor says hes not stamping them then expect their breedings to their own stallion to plummet and expect California Chrome to go to Korea and disappear. Way to promote your own stallions in the barn :rolleyes:

You know that makes no sense, right?

Considering that Taylor Made stands the stallion and Duncan Taylor has probably seen–in person–the majority of CC’s offspring, while you have seen zero, I’m pretty sure his opinion carries more weight than yours.

But as you said earlier, we can agree to disagree. Obviously you know more about the horse than the people who are managing him. :rolleyes:

[skydy]

@Texarkana

Not stamping your get can prove to be a good thing with time so long as your foals are fast. Look at Mr. P.

:yes:

[LaurieB]

Duncan Taylor from an interview with TDN talking about California Chrome:
“TDN: His weanlings sold well last year. What were weanling buyers seeing that they like?
DT: I think Chrome is throwing nice horses, but he’s throwing different types. It’s not cookie cutter that we say, “Oh, that’s a Chrome, that’s a Chrome, that’s a Chrome.”I think he is getting good-looking horses and I think that the yearling buyers will really be wanting to buy and I think they’ll be happy with what they see. [He] raced in Dubai without any drugs. So, he’s ticked about every box that somebody that would want in a horse. Sound, started at two, ran all the way through to five, won $14 million. With what’s going on in our industry in California, I think people are looking for soundness and sound horses. I think Chrome is the type of horse that is going to fill the bill for that.”

The whole interview is here: https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.co…fornia-chrome/

[snaffle1987]

@skydy

What? You seem to be opining about a subject (breeding horses) about which you are neither educated nor experienced.

Just because a stallion doesn’t stamp his get, it doesn’t mean that he is producing inferior foals.

Oh how you know so very little about me. The sales arenas are strictly based on looks and a pedigree page. If a stallion isn’t stamping his get, and he was bred to a good book of good mares, that means the resulting offspring are all over the place in terms of quality, meaning they can be good quality and some equally ugly ducklings. If my stallion has not had offspring reach the track yet, I am relying on them looking the part when selling as yearlings and weanlings. If that offspring does not stand on correct feet and legs, move with a good walk, and have some presence about it; it’s not going to sell well.

I guess it all depends on what context you take Mr. Taylor’s comments and what you define as “stamping them”. Is Mr Taylor referencing “stamping them” with Chrome’s chrome, or is he referencing it to the quality of what he is siring.

I look at California Chrome as a good looking horse whos built relatively well. As a breeder; I would expect his offspring to be built relatively similar depending on what lines he was mated to. I don’t look at Cal Chrome and think "unless all of his offspring have “chrome”, they’re not stamped by him. When I heard someone within the industry use terms like that, for me, its a reference to quality.

[skydy]

No, it is a reference to type. Your post really doen’t make sense.

[skydy]

@snaffle1987

Oh how you know so very little about me. The sales arenas are strictly based on looks and a pedigree page. If a stallion isn’t stamping his get, and he was bred to a good book of good mares, that means the resulting offspring are all over the place in terms of quality, meaning they can be good quality and some equally ugly ducklings. If my stallion has not had offspring reach the track yet, I am relying on them looking the part when selling as yearlings and weanlings. If that offspring does not stand on correct feet and legs, move with a good walk, and have some presence about it; it’s not going to sell well.

I guess it all depends on what context you take Mr. Taylor’s comments and what you define as “stamping them”. Is Mr Taylor referencing “stamping them” with Chrome’s chrome, or is he referencing it to the quality of what he is siring.

I look at California Chrome as a good looking horse whos built relatively well. As a breeder; I would expect his offspring to be built relatively similar depending on what lines he was mated to. I don’t look at Cal Chrome and think "unless all of his offspring have “chrome”, they’re not stamped by him. When I heard someone within the industry use terms like that, for me, its a reference to quality.

No, it is a reference to type. Your post makes no sense. You seem not to have understood what Duncan Taylor was saying.

[LaurieB]

@snaffle1987

Oh how you know so very little about me. The sales arenas are strictly based on looks and a pedigree page. If a stallion isn’t stamping his get, and he was bred to a good book of good mares, that means the resulting offspring are all over the place in terms of quality, meaning they can be good quality and some equally ugly ducklings. If my stallion has not had offspring reach the track yet, I am relying on them looking the part when selling as yearlings and weanlings. If that offspring does not stand on correct feet and legs, move with a good walk, and have some presence about it; it’s not going to sell well.

I guess it all depends on what context you take Mr. Taylor’s comments and what you define as “stamping them”. Is Mr Taylor referencing “stamping them” with Chrome’s chrome, or is he referencing it to the quality of what he is siring.

I look at California Chrome as a good looking horse whos built relatively well. As a breeder; I would expect his offspring to be built relatively similar depending on what lines he was mated to. I don’t look at Cal Chrome and think "unless all of his offspring have “chrome”, they’re not stamped by him. When I heard someone within the industry use terms like that, for me, its a reference to quality.

No. It doesn’t.

As skydy said, it refers to type. And that’s the only context in which Duncan Taylor’s comments can be “taken”.

It has nothing to do with what color the horses are, or how many white markings they have, or whether some random person thinks they’re ugly.

Like most idioms, those used in racing and breeding racehorses have actual (and precise) definitions. You can’t just make up new ones and say they’re correct. Because they’re not.

I don’t get it. You’re fighting awfully hard to defend an indefensible position.

[Mara]

@Texarkana

Not stamping your get can prove to be a good thing with time so long as your foals are fast. Look at Mr. P.

Mr. P. sure passed on his homely head along with his speed, though! But I don’t think there exists a trainer at any track anywhere who makes an attractive head priority criteria for selecting a racing prospect.

Well, there may be some trainers who do…just not successful ones.