Full drafts in the hunt field

Unless my searching capabilities are completely inept (which is, indeed, possible) I can’t seem to find any posts in which anyone uses a full draft in the hunt field. Obviously there are those that would not be able to keep up first flight but would a leggy one be able to keep up hilltopping? Is anyone doing it?

I have no plans per se, for the drafty that I just purchased, he may end up just hanging out at the farm, but his temperament suggests to me that he may finally make me up a nice hilltopping horse, where my 1/2 draft might just be too flighty for the whole deal.

Perhaps I’m just searching incorrectly, so if I am, please accept my apologies.

PM Wookiee. And check out her latest post “Ware Bees” on The Eventing Percheron :wink:

Thank you so much! What a neat guy that one is :slight_smile:

I vote yes!

LOTS of folks are hunting half drafts in our area and some are hunting full drafts which they THINK are halfs and there are at least a coupla full drafts in most area hunts IMHO. The cost of shoeing them in our area is prohibitive in many regards. Many farriers just won’t do them OR the draft horse farriers don’t know how to shoe them for hunting. With our rocky ground, most need shoes I suspect. Many in our area have bad feet. I’ve fought the battle of the base narrow hind feet slipping too. My one used to step on the insides of his hinds.

Jumping a full draft and many heavily built halfs a lot can really kill their knees so many don’t last long. Hilltopping? No problemo. They can be slow in the long runs but eventually you will get there! Getting/keeping them hunting fit is the challenge I think. Especially wind fitness. Cooling out problematic so they must be clipped. I love the halfs. I have hunted many and am bringing along some perch/qh’s. I think their temperments make them great potential fieldhunters but find one with comfortable, non-jarring gaits or 3 hours will feel awful!! :yes:

We just got a Belgian - going to Hunter Pace him…

I just looked at your blog, and is it that beautiful chestnut/flaxen boy? He looks to have a good bit of Belgian in him…but wasnt sure if he was full draft of not? How fun!

We do Hunter Paces and Team Chases with our local hunt (never been on a hunt) and we JUST got a full Belgian draft that was purchased as a trail horse for my SO.

Here’s our 17.3 hand Belgian, Jake:

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Sure, he can mosey down the trail - but we also plan to try him in next seasons’ Hunter Paces, too!

I bet yours could do some Hilltopping and if he’s aptitude is good…why not hunt him? :slight_smile:

I agree though, that it’s the Draft Crosses that seem to be more prevalant out in the field (versus full drafts)

Several members of my hunt use full drafts or nearly full drafts. Much of it depends on the genectics of the specific horse- there are lightboned draft horses and then there are the wheel horses on 6 and 8 horse hitches. :slight_smile:

If the brain is good, hilltopping a draft just shouldn’t be an issue. Good luck!

Achterbahn…I just looked at your blog too, is he the one at the very bottom? The one you got from the auction and barely fit in the trailer? He’s GORGEOUS! What a sweet face!
I should have added before…I don’t think hilltopping would be an issue either. I agree with SLW. It depends on the actual horse and how it’s built. Take my Perch for example. Check out my profile pic of her. She is 100% Perch but EXTREMELY athletic. Hilltopping would be a walk in the park and I really believe she could hold her own with first flight. Depends on how you’ve been conditioning the horse as well. Mine is in EXCELLENT fitness right now. We gallop through miles of pineapple fields and I have yet to feel her get tired and want to slow down. But…I do have the advantage of getting her right before her 3rd b-day and she was untouched. So she has never been a plow beast or any of that.

Yep, the one at the very bottom is the one that I am speaking of - my poor 18.2-3h (we haven’t sticked him, just used a tape, so we could be off) guy that came home with me quite…er…unexpectedly :slight_smile: He’s actually been an absolute angel to date and personality wise he’s uber-mellow, he’s dealt with a lot in his life and so far not much of anything has made him do anything besides lift his head in the air briefly. And that was while a giant great dane was appearing and disappearing, ponies were running around, a goat was nibbling on his fetlock hair, kids were screaming on bicycles, we were in an unfamiliar place and the farrier was attempting his first trim. His attitude is ho-hum, yes, but it’s also - whatever you want me to do I will attempt (even if it is cramming him into an itty bitty trailer that he previously had hit his head on going in). If he does resist something (like with the farrier and his LH) it seems to be physically related (for right now, he had very bad abcesses in the front and back due to extremely flared feet and huge cracks) and he does almost seem apologetic for it (how’s that for a huge dose of anthropromorphism :lol:)

The other one is 1/2 Belgian 1/2 Paint (the full-body picture). He’s only 5 1/2 now and only been really worked with the last few months so I should give him the benefit of the doubt, he may end up being a very good all-rounder as well. He’s a more nervous type, that really looks to his rider/handler for assurance, but that could also be a phase that he is going through due to his prior lack of handling.

Well, I suppose once we see whether the full Belg can actually be ridden (which doesn’t seem like much of a stretch from what I understand of him so far) and get him going we’ll see how his conditioning goes - he certainly wouldn’t be a candidate for this year, but potentially by next year we’ll have something. He was an actual plow beast, pulling farm machinery, but he’s not the super-squat type, he’s actually quite leggy.

Fancy That, how come yours has a TAIL? Mine has the typical Belgian docked tail…wonder if that will ever grow real hair - I feel so badly for him given that it has no purpose being docked as short as it is (I won’t be driving him). Jake is gorgeous!

Jumpingperch, yours is gorgeous too - I love the heavy horses. I have a whole photo album full of collected pictures of British Heavy hunters, and I just love them. I’ve been fascinated by Perchies and Perch crosses ever since I had the opportunity to meet the Perchies of Windermere farms.

So…does anyone know where one can get a nice hunt bridle without paying an arm and a leg? So far the only bridle I’ve found that is reasonable is dressagey - a bit too blingy for the field, I’m afraid :slight_smile:

PM Sent! :smiley:

Lucked out with the long tail…

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Fancy That, how come yours has a TAIL? Mine has the typical Belgian docked tail…wonder if that will ever grow real hair - I feel so badly for him given that it has no purpose being docked as short as it is (I won’t be driving him). Jake is gorgeous!
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Thanks for the nice comment on Jake! Yes, we certainly LUCKED OUT that he didn’t have his tail docked like so many full drafts! Not only is it un-docked…it’s SUPER thick, wavy and creamy white colored! He’s like a Barbie Horse. I’m on another Draft Forum and have seen some docked tails grown out BEAUTIFULLY! so don’t despair…just treat the hairs very gently (don’t brush/break the hairs)

Here’s another look at our Belgian with “the tail” :slight_smile:
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Good luck getting yours undersaddle! They really are Gentle Giants

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Jumping a full draft and many heavily built halfs a lot can really kill their knees so many don’t last long. Hilltopping? No problemo.[/QUOTE]

Some very excellent comments from wateryglen. My only amendment would be that ALL horses are different, drafts included. My guy ( a full Percheron ) is smaller than a friesian we also hunt with and I get xrays of his legs every year. His legs are holding up fine, but I know my limits. We do not jump cross country above 3’ and I don’t jump stadium above 3’6". Your guy seems like a “lighter” type and they can be very agile.

In cubbing season, for one ride (so far!), in New Hampshire, after a season of eventing conditioning, my horse kept up fine with first field. Now, I would not like to say that during formal season, at Myopia, etc, he is first field material. So again, generalizations don’t tell the whole story.

Does this look like a knee-crushing jumper:
Bad Picture, but you get the idea

Does this guy?
One BIG Boy

(Um, yes!!!)

So it’s hard to ask if a full draft will be ok, unless you look at their abilities in general, as JumpingPercheron mentioned, and really pay attention to how they are holding up. Best of luck! I love the face on your guy!

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So…does anyone know where one can get a nice hunt bridle without paying an arm and a leg? So far the only bridle I’ve found that is reasonable is dressagey - a bit too blingy for the field, I’m afraid :)[/QUOTE]

My hunt bridle is a Bobby’s, warmblood size and it works very well. You can google it and find them for sale at a lot of locations. My guy goes in a 7" egg butt snaffle for eventing or a 7" baucher waterford for hunting. That’s a big mouth!

get your own!

I’m sorry about generalizing like that…you’re right; not fair. But it DOES bring up a good point; many of us w/draft or halfs need to keep their weight under control to enable long term fitness and health. But then that’s true for all breeds ay?!! :wink:
I was thinking about some fellow foxhunters who hunted their drafts 2Xweek and jumped over & over again and the knees blew when the horses were 11-12 yrs old. They were heavily built and over weight I think. The jumps & terrain were trappy. And of course conditioning is always important. My half belgian/tb hunted 22 seasons all total! But his last 10 yrs were only hilltopping and last few on bute and lightly hunted ie: 6-8 times/season for only 2-3 hrs. The secret was to keep them exercised. I don’t think our big ones age as well as smaller breeds. They seem old at 18 or so.
I have 3 half drafties I’m bringing along so clearly I’m smitten!! No you can’t have mine…go get your own!!! :D:lol:

We have some part drafts in the field but I don’t think there are any full drafts. Personally I’d never be able to get a draft fit enough to hunt. We have a half draft and I certainly can’t get him fit enough. That’s why I ride paints. Oh, and I can get on them too.

I have a guy who is a Percheron/TB. Nobody ever believes that he’s half and half. He really got the best of both worlds. When we bought him he had evented up through Training level, done some equitation type stuff, competed successfully at 2nd level dressage… and spent several years hunting in Maryland. I love the drafties!!!

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… My guy ( a full Percheron ) is smaller than a friesian we also hunt with and I get xrays of his legs every year. His legs are holding up fine, but I know my limits. …
In cubbing season, for one ride (so far!), in New Hampshire, after a season of eventing conditioning, my horse kept up fine with first field. Now, I would not like to say that during formal season, at Myopia, etc, he is first field material. So again, generalizations don’t tell the whole story.[/QUOTE]

wookiee, your horse is awesome! what an athlete. love the pictures on your blog.

I agree, very hard to generalize. especially draft crosses, there is such a range. My mare is 7/8 TB 1/8 Clyde and its been very interesting to parse out which parts she gets from the TB (sire was a race horse and boy does that kick in out hunting [attitude, not the stride, alas]) and which from the Clyde (worlds calmest horse when not hunting, great bone and feet, etc).

Feeding your draft and draft crosses

Hi All

Just wondering what you feed your guys? I have a Belgium/TB cross, 6 year old gelding. I know he gets too much hay and want to cut him back. How much hay do you feed you guys and gals? thanks for the replies!!

I just started hunting a new horse this year that is part draft. Not too sure of her parentage, but I suspect she is 1/4 percheron. She has to be one of the smoothest horses I have ever sat on. Her stride at the trot is a little short, but it is just sooooo smooth, you could take out your flask, have a drink, and not spill a drop. :smiley: She has no problem keeping up with the other horses, and when we need to she can turn on the jets. In the past I have always hunted thoroughbreds, but I am having a blast with this girl.

Last year we rescued a weanling draft cross. She came with papers and information from her breeder. She is a 1/4 percheron, 1/2 paint and 1/4 quarterhorse. Really looking forward to hunting her in a few years.

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