If anyone can help me out on the good and bad of Furioso II, I would appreciate it!
I’m looking a Freestyle as a possibility for my GOV mare and this would put Furioso II in generations: 3 (mare)-4 (Freestyle)-6 (mare)
and Romulus I in 5-6 (in Freestyle’s pedigree).
This is what the pedigree would look like:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/dbtestmating.php?&sireid=10197046&damid=10682217
I have little bad to say. Furioso II is one of the most influential sires in sport horse history. He’s a historic foundation stallion for the Oldenburg Breed. His temperament and readability are unmatched and have been passed on generation after generation. No stallion is perfect, but I’d say there is little bad to say!
Google him and you’ll find plenty of info like this:
The stallion was approved for the Oldenburg stud book in 1967, and won his 100-day test performed in 1968 at Westercelle. He was incredibly influential to the Oldenburg breed, which used his Thoroughbred bloodlines through his sire to introduce a more modern type of sport horse without resporting to a pure Thoroughbred. Known as the “Stamp Stallion”, because his offspring inheirited his ‘very good feet and legs, his outstanding neck and shoulder, striking dappled chocolate chestnut coat with flaxen tail and white markings’, Furioso II was later approved for the Hanoverian, Rhineland, and Westphalian studbooks.
I read about Furioso II in the “making of the modern WB” so I know he was pretty awesome 
I googled “linebreeding Furioso II” but the only “bad” side I found was someone said that alot of F-II could give higher chance for a lot of white markings… that didn’t seem too bad to me. Especially since Freestyle and my mare have only a star.
Just was trying to see if (for example) that a lot of F-II was known to pass on “xyz” bad traits.
Oh those silly people don’t know what they’re talking about - “bad” white :lol: :lol:
Especially since Freestyle and my mare have only a star.
And because of the cumulative effect, you could get a LOT of white LOL Especially if it’s a chestnut (don’t know Freestyle’s black status, he may be EE)
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Oh those silly people don’t know what they’re talking about - “bad” white :lol: :lol:
And because of the cumulative effect, you could get a LOT of white LOL Especially if it’s a chestnut (don’t know Freestyle’s black status, he may be EE)[/QUOTE]
my mare is Ee (she is bay but was accidently bred to a chestnut and the resulting foal was chestnut) and Freestyle’s webpage reports that he is EE - no red factor.
I don’t mind some chrome and bay is good with me 
I’m good with black, bay or chestnut (altho wouldn’t be possible with this stallion)… just no gray (too much cleaning).
My foal, out of an all black mare, by Feiner Stern (bay - Furioso II grandson) came out chesnut with three white high socks, huge blaze, and flaxen tail. Those Furioso II lines will show up. Strong genes! Furioso II also has a belly spot.
my “heart horse” died at only coming 5 from a twist colic. She was by For The Future http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/for+the+future
She was sweet, a bit lazy. She had a lot of swing in spite of preferring to move vewy slowly. She had a huge jump when she wanted to. She could not be bothered with small stuff. If you tried to jump her over crossrails etc. she would just be sloppy and dangle her legs but show her a solid jump and she would jump you out of the saddle. Her weak spot was her canter. And she was a pinto.
I’ll go out on a limb here and say you’re not exactly line breeding to Furioso II here. He’s too far back. You have bigger influences closer up.
But you do have an extremely athletic and interesting cross here. Florestan and Freestyle offspring speak for themselves. I would look to their offspring as a bigger influence of the future foal than Furioso II. Freestyle brings alot to the plate - more dressage (IMHO), much from the dam lines. I’d focus on him more that the distant Furioso II, personally.
I’ve had (2) horses now with Furioso II in their pedigrees, with my current one having it 2x through his sire Mannhattan. My first horse had F-II in his damline through Frohwind. They both have been the most willing horses I have known. Somewhat over-achievers as well, and both with lots of chrome!! Sensitive, and can be worriers, but once they trust you they think you hung the moon! Can’t say for sure that the willingness and chrome came from Furioso II, there’s so many other horses in the pedigree to consider, but I really do feel they are a lot alike and that’s the only ancestor in common they have.
I love my Furioso II granddaughter. I also bred to Idocus (different mare) who is double Furioso xx, having the two full brothers in his pedigree. That worked out quite well. 
They are wonderful movers, with great rideability, and can also jump.
That said, I always take a strong look at their loin connection, and back. Some can be overbuilt behind, and their backs are more like a table, sometimes with very straight hind legs. Furioso II did not have this issue, but it can breed thru.
They are excellent breeding animals, but pick and choose so you get the really special ones. As always with breeding, choose a strength to match a part less than ideal. My mare is fairly straight behind, but her babies are not.
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But you do have an extremely athletic and interesting cross here. Florestan and Freestyle offspring speak for themselves. I would look to their offspring as a bigger influence of the future foal than Furioso II. Freestyle brings alot to the plate - more dressage (IMHO), much from the dam lines. I’d focus on him more that the distant Furioso II, personally.[/QUOTE]
I’m breeding for dressage so I’m hoping Freestyle will give us that
I’d read articles about linebreeding and some of them said the “engine room” of the pedigree was in the 4-5 generations.
LOVE Furioso II. Mannhattan is a grandson of Furioso II and one of my best broodmares is a Frohwind daughter - Faberge (Frohwind x Rum Bun xx). I’ve bred that mare to Mannhattan several times and have loved every one of her foals. Morticia (Mannhattan x Faberge/Frohwind) has produced several foals two of which are stallion prospects. One will be presented this summer as a three year old and one will be presented next year as a 3 yo. Hoping for a keeper colt out of Mannhattan x Faberge this year. Oh…and that cross has produced three black foals <lol>…go figure. So…now that I WANT a colt? yeah…ain’t gonna happen, right?
Funny, when I’m perusing stallions and find one that I think YEAH!!! I LIKE that horse, invariably there is some Furioso II in there somewhere. Super athletic, good minds and very forward. Can’t go wrong with some FII in a pedigree, IMO.
snork I think my gelding slept through the handing out of “forward” :lol::lol::lol:
But the rest, oh yeah, he got that alright! :yes:
I have a Furioso II grandson (by Fernet Branca) and it is interesting to see read some of these comments as they really apply to my guy. He has a super temperament, very forward, very willing, super rideability lovely mover with quite a bit of jump. He is a bit of a sensitive worrier and tends to try to overachieve a bit because of it. You also really have to mix up the schooling and the exercises because after you do one thing he decides he knows what you want to do next and offers it up even if that is not what you had in mind. And then can be a bit difficult to talk out of it “Yes, I know we leg yielded left off the centreline the last time but now I do want you to leg yield right. Yes, really”.
And, it must be said, he does not have a wonderful loin connection. Does not have a straight hind leg though.
Actually, it’s a bit eery how accurately the comments about his grandsire’s offspring describe him!
The first time I sat on him I thought “this is fun”. That is also a comment I hear from other people who ride him “he sure is fun”. Interestingly, Furioso II also produced a dressage horse named “Fun”. Which makes me wonder if the F in Furioso II stand for “fun” ?
I have a Feiner Stern daughter, which makes her a great-granddaughter of Furioso II.
She exhibits many of the same comments as above - sensitive, forward, smart, willing. I had to laugh at Mozart’s comments about leg yield - yep, that is my mare! She seems to think lateral work is great fun and you better not get even slightly crooked or off balance in the saddle or off she goes in half pass! And yes, the training has to be mixed up a bit, because she likes to think she knows what is coming next. She wants to go on auto-pilot - “Just sit there, rider. I will do the rest.” :lol:
As for color and markings - her dam was a red bay with a bit of white. Feiner Stern was dark bay with a bit of white. This mare is solid chestnut with a sprinkling of white hairs on her forehead (also developing a few roany patches here and there as she ages).
She has a full sister who was also chestnut, but with a blaze and four stockings to mid-cannon. 
Every horse I own has Furioso II in the pedigree somewhere. You can’t go wrong with it.
The only negative I have been cautioned about w/ FII is that the length of the front legs can be of concern. The loin strength can vary but that could be coming from the mare, too. But he sure did stamp his offspring!
I know a bunch of Freestyles and would give him the thumbs up, based on my experience with his babies! He has a young stud colt in Texas now…niiiiiiiice.
At 4-5 generations, the genetic contribution is pretty low. You can actually do the math yourself to figure out how much. Sire and Dam give 50/50, the sire’s sire and dam give 50/50 of his 50% (exclude epigenetics for simplicity), and backwards. 4-5 generations back, each horse contributes roughly 3-6% of the gene pool. And that’s just not that much. That’s why I question calling this cross “linebreeding”. It is difficult to concentrate traits when there are soooooo many other influences in the genetic composition of this offspring. I think of linebreeding as occuring within the first 3 generations - because linebreeding is essentially inbreeding for traits. But that’s me!
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