George Morris on the SS list

there has been ongoing discussion behind the scenes regarding GM for YEARS. Long before Safe Sport and long before ousting these pedophiles became the “thing”. When Safe Sport came about, there was a lot of speculation within the industry if GM would ever find himself in this spot due to his popularity and historic significance in the sport. These concerns questioned if Safe Sport would have integrity to do so and hold no one to a higher standard.

I am happy to see that Safe Sport is leaving no person immune to the consequences of their choices. This is what the sport needs.

GM is still free to do the appeals process. He will do so. He has the right to do so with this due-process.

With that being said, Safe Sport does not assign permanent ineligibility to someone “just because”. there is due-process that these investigations must follow and it is conducted using skilled investigators outside of the sport world. Investigators with no ties to the horse world have conducted an investigation and had justifiable cause to issue the sanctions that they did. This isn’t a process that is taken lightly, rushed or jumped to conclusions.

Judging by the fact that GM hired a PR firm and had a well-versed statement compiled, he was well aware of the investigation and likely knew exactly what was about to transpire. I knew something like this was going to come about after his book dropped more information than one should in their professional position. When you brag about sleeping with thousands of men and then drop hints of such despicable behavior, you basically place a target on your back for an investigation. And if any one of his former victims took offense to those written words in the book, you bet they are going to use it as ammo to fight him.

I fully understand that GM is from a much older generation. A different world and time where things like this were kept hush-hush and swept under the rug. But even in that era, pedophile behavior was still wrong and against the law. For many of these victim minors; the pressure to win and follow their dream to the top of the podium forces them to keep silent when they are put into this disgusting scenario; and the adult conducting the acts knows it and uses it as a form of power.

It saddens me that people within the industry will shout “Witch Hunt” simply because its GM; he has fame and money and historical significance to the likes of Jimmy Williams. Let it be known that no person, regardless of wealth and fame, should be exempt from receiving punishment for such actions with minors. If this was local Regular Joe at the local rated “C” show, not one person would speak up in his defense, actually quite the opposite.

There has been discussion for years about the potential history of GM’s behavior behind closed doors. I don’t want to see anyone’s life ruined, but I am happy that Safe Sport is doing their job and leaving no person exempt from investigation and action. On the other side of the coin, we must think about the victim(s) in these cases and how this has affected their lives for decades. Being the whistle-blower against someone with the fame of GM cannot be taken lightly and I am not sure I could be the one to do it if I was in that position.

GM has plenty of financial backing and a cult-following. I am sure we will see this enter the court system. I will be waiting to see how this progresses and where it goes from here.

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As I said, Robert Dover asks a friend if he was sexually assaulted by George as a young adult (22).

Friend says no.

Ergo, Rob concludes George Morris did not assault adolescent boys.

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What bugs, in your opinion, need to be ironed out?

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I just saw this documentary a few days ago and it was chilling. A perfect exposition on how well-liked, supposedly ‘nice’ guys get away with heinous sexual assaults on minors and individuals over which they have power. Several women tried to report his crimes over the years and they were all coerced into ‘rethinking’ their experiences. It didn’t get the criminal case it deserved until it was brought to the media.

Times were different ten, twenty, fifty years ago. But not because sexual misconduct with minors was acceptable. The shame society imposed on victims made reporting sexual assaults and going to police incredibly difficult. People preferred to look the other way rather than accept these things were happening within their own bubbles. One of the most heartbreaking victim statements in the Nassar case was from the daughter of one of his friends, whose father committed suicide when he realized what Nassar had done, after years of not believing his own daughter had been one of Nassar’s victims from the age of six.

The terms ‘witch hunt’ and ‘McCarthyism’ with respect to Safe Sport really boil my blood. As others have pointed out on this thread, that is not what SS is about.

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Anyone calling GM a pedophile is jumping the gun here. There are a plethora of things that can get you banned by safesport that have nothing to do with sex with young children. The training goes through them, better than the documentation put out by SS, which is severely lacking.
I would be more inclined to say that he is banned because of his ongoing bullying, which is a safesport violation!

This ESPN article was shared over on the Rob Gage thread - If you have not read it, take the time and read. It’s both excellent journalism and a powerful reason for something like SafeSport. The coach was well-liked, but a master at making sure no one knew what he was doing, until suddenly, his victims discovered they weren’t alone.

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/27244072/44-years-41-allegations-how-caught-former-olympian

As for George Morris, if we took away “trainer” and replaced it with “Catholic Priest” - would people still be saying SafeSport is so unfair?

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The SafeSport and USEF sanctions list literally say sexual misconduct involving a minor.

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George isn’t a pedophile, to split hairs, @TooManyBays you are correct.

He’s an ephebophile. Also illegal. Also, what was the trigger word on rob gage? appalling?

It astounds me even though I know it shouldn’t the number of people who with their own name and face openly and publicly support these predators.

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Many have apparently complained. I called and that thread is under a microscope. Standards for both should be the same. Forums are well moderated and Facebook should be equal.

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The list of people I have 0 respect for is growing immensly.

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To be fair the legal definition of a pedophile has an age limit of 11.

@TooManyBays it’s not a ban for bullying or whatever. It literally says sexual misconduct with a minor.

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Read. The. Charges.

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lol either way, it definitely ain’t a case of getting a little too stern with a clinic rider.

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It’s mean to ask people to read. We need to rehash everything all the time in long verbose posts.

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I think PART (not all) of the backlash here is because people want to believe that they’d be able to spot an abuser. That they’d prevent it, that there’s something obvious about them. That it would never happen to them or their family because they’re attentive. This is the origin of “stranger danger” and the idea of creeper perverts.

But the reality is that most abusers are people in positions of trust. People that win the trust of parents, who give very little or no reason to suspect them. That is much harder for us to protect against or see. And when an accused person has won the trust of so many people and become central to their lives in some respect, like GM is central to our sport, the dissonance that creates is just explosive.

People will REFUSE to believe it just because believing it means they have to call in question so much about their judgement and belief in other people, and their perceived safety from predators.

I do believe some folks have really genuine feelings and concerns over due process, etc, but I believe MUCH of the outcry and anger is more related to the other thing, and people are latching onto “ss is a witch hunt!” because digging deeper into their reaction is not something they want to do.

Here’s what I do know - if SS came out with this, they’ve been investigating for a long time. There has to have been some kind of corroboration of the accusations and an investigation involving interviews with people who knew him and/or the victim at the time. While everyone talks about DNA and “proof,” testimony IS LEGAL EVIDENCE not only to SS but in a court of law.

I also know there is an extremely good chance a person I know who experienced mental/emotional abuse at the hands of GM, is very likely to be reading this thread. If he is, I’m thinking of you right now and hope you’re OK. And I really hope all this commentary is not hurting you.

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@caffeinated This is a fantastic post. Thanks for taking the time to write it up.

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I understand there is going to be a lot of mourning about the fall of a famous equestrian’s lifelong career. It is indeed sad, however, we must always be cognizant of what the victim(s) have gone through. It is entirely possible that the victim(s) who put this ban into motion have suffered for decades from PTSD, low self esteem, and many other debilitating effects from being abused. To watch an abuser thrive while inwardly suffering has to be one of the worst forms of torture. So for those defending GM, I understand your loyalty, but please, please consider the feelings of the victim(s). It takes a lot of bravery to come forward and open yourself up to attack and ridicule on top of the already existing suffering, and I doubt anyone would ever take that endeavor lightly.

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Seriously! So, because GM did not behave inappropriately with ONE handsome student, it never happened with any of his students? And since when is going to Studio 54 the same as acting as a sexual predator. When my daughter’s high school coach was found to have had a sexual relationship with one of his athletes, did I think to myself, well, my daughter is beautiful but he didn’t molest her, therefore he’s not a predator?

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Thank you @ladyj79 for teaching me a new word!

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Your statement that I have bolded is untrue. It’s a misconception spewed frequently by those in opposition to SafeSport, yet is clearly disproven in the SafeSport policies:

https://uscenterforsafesport.org/wp-…yperlinked.pdf

A simplified graphic can be found here:

https://uscenterforsafesport.org/wp-…-Process-2.pdf

From pp. 23-24 of the policies:

The parties to an investigation and arbitration are the Center and the Respondent. During the investigation, the Claimant and Respondent will have an opportunity to submit information and relevant evidence, to identify witnesses who may have relevant information, and to submit questions that they believe should be directed by the investigator to each other or to any witness.

Penalties like “permanently ineligible” are not handed down by SafeSport lightly.

Also, after Rob Gage’s death, I learned a wealth of knowledge about the inner workings of SafeSport. One of the greatest things I learned is that the use of temporary suspensions and act of “blasting names,” which was originally done if the original intake process revealed a credible complaint, has more or less been abandoned.

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