I bet Crashing Boar is from the “I want to speak to your manager” generation.
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IEA Region President here. This is correct. While the IEA cannot control what people advertise on their personal websites, it can control who can and cannot field a team. If a team is not approved by IEA, they will be unable to enter any IEA competitions. There are safeguards against that. Show hosts have to submit entries into the IEA website. A team that is not registered is unable to be entered. The system will not be able to find them.
I do encourage anyone who suspects that a banned/suspended USEF member is running an IEA program using another person as the “official” coach to circumvent the SS requirement to report it to the IEA national office. I can assure you these reports will not be taken lightly.
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What the IEA (and everyone else) needs to do is establish some sort of criteria - a drawn line if you will - that determines whether or not an individual who should not be associated with IEA due to SafeSport or criminal/legal sanctions against them that make them a potential danger, is tied to any suspect program. To use the example of the guy discussed here, there being a program at another location in the area run by someone else and him being physically involved in any way whatsoever as “help”, even if he’s not in any designated or verbally/non-verbally established position of authority and despite not being an IEA member, would be a clear violation, IMO. Obviously, I don’t think the IEA could do anything to keep him from being present as a spectator and socially interacting with members, but there should be a clearly stated point where violations occur, to discourage any sort of improper action or associations with potential problem individuals.
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I think Crashing Boar is a proud troll, just here to jerk everyone’s chain.
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:encouragement::encouragement::encouragement::yes::yes::yes:
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Well, I will likely slap myself later for commenting at all but… why don’t the “fans” care what happened to multiple victims over the years? It was a different time? Really? Sexual abuse is the kind of thing that changes a persons life FOREVER. Get over it, move on, man up… whatever sooo easy to say -> to someone else. I can imagine how difficult it would have been for a gay victim to come forward “back in the day” or even a few years ago. people want to judge victims for their lifestyle rather than REALLY seeing them as young people that were hurt.
GM is a talented instructor no doubt, and many have benefitted, but that doesn’t mean he should get a free pass based of training skill. One thing has very little to do with the other. Most of the" I stand w George" crowd do not know him at all, you are admirers of an image of a horseman… you surely were not hanging at Studio 54 or many of the other interesting private clubs and all the drugs and drinking going on. You need to separate the Icon from the person. Quit making excuses for bad behavior by ANYBODY. Please consider the victims… if you are having a hard time with that… look at your kids and grandkids and put them in that position.
I’m confidant GM will have some fabulous legal team … and the “it was different back then”, “the legal age was different”, “they were trying to get something from him” arguments will all be made… but really, is that an actual excuse?
and btw shame on you riders/trainers who had knowledge of bad behavior by ANY trainer or Judge and Pretends they didn’t know. I hope that any victims find the heart and strength to step forward and speak up-> about their abuser, whoever that may be.
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The current SafeSport policy is that a conviction on child sex abuse gets you a lifetime ban. I think we agree that it is not the fault of SafeSport if the conviction in the criminal justice system was unjust.
It is a different issue as to whether the lifetime ban should be just a 10 year suspension if there are no further criminal convictions. An awful lot of child abuse goes on without resulting in conviction in court, so again, the lack of a second conviction does not definitively establish no further abuse. I have no problem with the lifetime ban for a single criminal conviction. SafeSport does not have the resources or mandate to investigate whether a person is still a risk after a 10 year suspension and could face liability suits if it readmitted someone who then abused more minors.
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I vaguely remember that IEA was incorporating SafeSport perhaps starting this fall or something- that is, IEA will be subject to SafeSport going forward but possibly the implementation date was a year or two after USEF. No university is going to want the legal exposure that would come with having a SafeSport banned individual be a coach.
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All the posts about people fearing being sanctioned for hugging a child after falling, or in congratulations, were just hysteria. Probably fake hysteria.
Someone pointed out that in the televised national US gymnastics championships, coaches were giving the athletes hugs almost every time they finished a routine.
On national TV. In gymnastics.
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From what it says on their site, IEA is making SS mandatory from the top-down/inside-outside, starting in the organization and leadership this season and then to the members themselves next season, which covers 2019-2020.
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Orginally posted by Poody
you surely were not hanging at Studio 54 or many of the other interesting private clubs and all the drugs and drinking going on.
I really don’t much care what GM was doing at Studio 54 or anywhere else in his spare time (if he had any) as long as he wasn’t doing it with minors.
Although if that had been one of my horses he was riding when his groom had to pour him into the saddle and point him in the direction of the first jump, I probably would have had words to say.
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The Plaidcast posted a great interview with Sarah Nir. It starts at 31:32. It breaks down a lot of the reaction to the ban and the article, and dispels a lot of mistruths being spouted. Someone should share with those who are crying foul and bashing SS, the Times, and the survivors.
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Just an FYI, IEA stands for Interscholastic Equestrian Association, and pertains to middle and high schoolers, not university and college teams.
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For the people in the back.
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Anybody that’s afraid of a SS investigation is doing something wrong. If you’re not inappropriate, you have nothing to worry about.
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originally posted by erinmeri and thanks for posting!
The Plaidcast posted a great interview with Sarah Nir. It starts at 31:32. It breaks down a lot of the reaction to the ban and the article, and dispels a lot of mistruths being spouted. Someone should share with those who are crying foul and bashing SS, the Times, and the survivors.
https://www.theplaidhorse.com/2019/0…ter-sarah-nir/
Wow - great interview. She states that there were multiple people who spoke to her, but only 1 who was willing to speak on record, because he was already banned and had nothing to lose, presumably Jonathan Sinesi. The rest were afraid to be quoted for fear of reprisal,
So much for the “there was only 1 victim and that was 50 years ago” story.
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See post #2382.
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I can’t find it either, but I recall seeing something similar. The closest I can find in in this FAQ which says, in part,
[INDENT]"What are the criteria for banning someone for life? Can you be sanctioned for something that’s not illegal?
It’s possible a respondent could not have been convicted, but if we find by a preponderance of the evidence that the respondent has done something to a child they would be banned for life. If I were to harass you, for example, that’s technically illegal, but the chances of a District Attorney taking a case like that is really low. For example, if two 19-year-olds go on a trip to an equestrian competition, and they’re drinking, and one is harassing the other, no DA in United States will take that case, but we would, and we’d look into it. If we determined harm had happened, someone could be put on the sanctioned list.
As far as banning for life, any instance of sexual assault, anything against children, or if you’re on the sex offender registry you’re out. It can be a bit confusing because for example we had a case where someone ended up on the registry because of a clerical error, and that person had to get it fixed. We’ll still look into whether something happened that warrants sanctions.
Also, there are situations when something was adjudicated by the sport before the Center existed. If it was properly adjudicated we have to be careful about re-doing any decisions that were already made."[/INDENT]
But that’s not a bullet list and I remember one too.
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In other news, Kathy Hobstetter has posted a Safe Sport Overhaul GoFundMe, the intro to which states:
[INDENT]Committed to a FAIR SPORT judgement process for athletes. Due process (FAIR PROCESS) for both abused and abuser is the American way. Pursuing a change in the Safe Sport Center system as it stands now that puts all athletes at risk.
Change takes time and change takes money especially when the US Government is in charge of a flawed FAIR PROCESS system for athletes of all ages and levels!!
The purpose is simply for awareness and securing transparency in SS. The only way to get it is knocking on doors of politicians and sending letters etc. No one is trying to stop SS, which we feel is needed, but simply work at bettering the rules at play and secure more fairness.[/INDENT]
What exactly do they feel is unfair? Is that answered anywhere?
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