George Morris on the SS list

Unreal.

Since they are all about “due process” and the legal system, perhaps they should do a little research with respect to #4. People get wrongly accused of any number of things ALL THE TIME. Sometimes… they have to pay to hire lawyers to defend themselves.

Guess what?

They often don’t routinely have anything meaningful in the way of “financial recourse” with respect to all their legal fees, etc.

That’s simply life for regular folks. Welcome to the real world.

I’m curious now about all 15 letters DC has written. This one is QUITE revealing.

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I’m willing to bet that anyone who uses the phrase “for statistical purposes” has no idea how to do proper stats analyses.

The whole creation of the group is revolting. I hope more of their names are revealed in coming days.

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BeeHoney - well written - thanx.

Bold blue is my response

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I agree. The information requested is not conducive to statistical analysis. Bold blue is my response.

  1. How does Safesport define and handle situations when a “victim” was in a bar or pub with a fake identification and voluntarily has sexual relations with a 25 year old coach he or she met in that bar or drinking establishment?

Is the “victim” the coach’s student? If so then the coach knows the age of the person. If a junior, the coach probably knows the person is under-age.

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The earlier ones are even more eye-opening. The number of “concerned citizens” evolved over the weeks to reflect the number of members of the ISWG group.

Week 3 letter. Use (copy) amend or write your own please mail to your Representatives/Senators in Washington & The President.
Also
Sen Moran ( chairman of the committee
overseeing SafeSport)
Dirksen Senate Office Bldg.
Room 521
Washington, DC 20510

Dear. ;
There are over 7,800 citizens from across America who have grouped together, working hard to get someone in Congress, hopefully you, to realize that Safe Sport policies are deeply flawed. These policies are the opposite of the American justice system, ruining innocent lives, using unproven allegations, issuing LIFETIME BANS and ending a person’s livelihood (of decades) while SS is getting it wrong too often to be ignored by Congress.

Safe Sport procedures are disproportionately slanted toward the victim. There is no consideration that an accusation could possibly be wrong or misguided. In addition, the weak level of “determination” or fact-finding of SS investigations, leaves the SS threshold far below what is required in a court of law.
This capricious standard creates an environment of fear. Unsubstantiated findings are treated as FACTS, made public; removing the falsely accused from their livelihood and the accused has yet to be able to refute alleged allegations. The accused is assumed guilty.

Who thought this much power without checks and balances was a good idea? Concerning the falsely accused, Safe Sport’s INAPPROPRIATE USE OF POWER IS DEVASTATING. The declaration of guilt occurs too frequently, issuing LIFETIME BANS and then reversing the bans after public declaration of sexual misconduct and lifetime ban from sport.

In one case, SS issued a LIFETIME BAN and the fact that the incident occurred when the accused was out of the country was not discovered by SS investigators. A reputation built on a lifetime of success is ruined! Reversal occurred after a costly, strenuous defense. Guilty until proven innocent is not good enough in The United States of America. How could SS polices and procedures be considered responsible legislation in this great country founded on the bedrock of due process?

Can you explain to me or the 7,700 citizens organized for SS reform, your thinking regarding due process or lack of due process with SS? Would these policies be fair if you were falsely accused?

Why Safe Sport was created?
The brand Safe Sport, as you may or may not know, was created as a USOC (United States Olympic Committee) brand (2010) to insure issues of sexual abuse were distanced away from the USOC. The purpose was to protect USOC’s image insuring confidence in its donors and advertisers. Also part of the strategy suggested (watchdog group Deadspin 2018 article), SS as a brand gave “cover” for officials testifying to Congress. Referencing Congressional hearing responses to questions, USOC representatives only responded to sexual misconduct questions with the deflection of “that’s a Safe Sport issue” reassuring Congress, donors and television investments “it“ was being corrected as money and medals continued. In 2015, USA Swimming held its own SafeSport conference. [name redacted], who was abused by her swimming coach in the 1980s, was invited to speak there. She described the experience as having little to do with preventing sexual abuse, and mostly about marketing.

“It was them using me as a victim show pony,” she said. “There was no significant content on actually preventing sexual abuse, and I left the conference going, ‘Why does this even exist?’” (2015)
(7/18 Diana Moskovitz)

Please use this awareness of Safe Sport procedures lacking due process to look deeper into what is really happening. This marketing plan (forced to handle serious issues of sexual abuse from flawed legislation created with the gymnastics scandal of September 2016) is not good enough for the accused or the victims. PLEASE REFORM Safe Sport so substantiated claims are handled by law enforcement and the judicial system, not 9 members of the SS board.

Thank you,

December 9, 2019
US Center for Safesport
1385 S Colorado Blvd Ste A-706
Denver, CO, 80222
… To whom it may concern:
My name is Diane Carney. I am the President of Athletes for Equity in Sport Inc., a new non-profit organization advocating on behalf of athletes, coaches, trainers and others impacted by your organization.
Please provide me with the following information for statistical purposes:

  1. How does Safesport define and handle situations when a “victim” was in a bar or pub with a fake identification and voluntarily has sexual relations with a 25 year old coach he or she met in that bar or drinking establishment?

Ok, I feel like this should be a question to an advice columnist, followed by, “Asking for a friend”.

It’s a minor detail, but I’m irritated that they don’t know what equity means, nor “statistical”.

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You know it’s not a coincidence, right. It’s the strategy of repeating a false narrative enough times that people start to accept it as fact.

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Well. This is an oddly specific list of questions… especially for “statistical analysis.”

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Who received a lifetime ban for an incident that occurred while they were “out of the country”?

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The bar scenario seemed pretty specific to me as well.

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It’s cool cause is it ok to rape minors if they aren’t US citizens???

That seems like a great argument, definitely likely to garner support.

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Well, it’s finally happened. I’m embarrassed to be a rider, and embarrassed that I subscribe to COTH.

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Maybe trainers should refrain from sleeping with drunk strangers they met in a bar whose age they don’t really know.

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No one?

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Fact check.

Soresi is not a current USEF member, much less a judge.

He has not been a USEF member for years and years.

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Perhaps, riding burkhas? (sarcasm) There are “burkinis.” Sigh. Although in GM’s case it wasn’t girls, this is still part of the discounting of women and their rights, etc. WE have to protect the men from themselves. I guess I was fortunate that my first male hunt-seat teacher was such an upright guy (with two daughters). All his students’ relationships with him were in group settings. He never needed or wanted to “mentor” privately any of the tweens/teens (or adult women for that matter) that he taught.

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Actually, it’s good COTH published the article. If people want to know who not to train with, that gives them a list, and they can look at other sites, and sees the names of ISWG group, and avoid them.

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FWIW, some states are passing modifications to the statute(s) in view of the many, many, MANY cases of abuse by Catholic priests (and Baptist ministers, and youth pastors, etc.)

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Indeed. But he was a member and a licensed judge back in 2006 at the time of his original arrest. USEF initially suspended him then (this was pre-Safe Sport legislation). However, rumor had it that “someone” very powerful went directly to USEF and spoke on behalf of Soresi… and USEF then made a decision to reinstate him as a member, but not as a licensed judge.

That someone was rumored to be George…

So it seems LE was referencing this… which points to LE being well aware of pretty specific details and the background of this whole case.

I’m curious… if LE has any curiosity at all about WHY GM might have tried to help out Soresi way back in 2006 and get him reinstated as a USEF member?

I can think of a plausible reason.

But hey. Whatever. It was only one kid from the 1950’s. And the kid was asking for it. And Safe Sport is corrupt and arranged a secret side deal with an independent arbitrator to overturn THEIR OWN prior ruling on Soresi. And because of all that… USEF has opened themself up to a lawsuit from one of the potential future victims of JS.

Yeah. That makes sense :rolleyes:

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