I felt the same. I think I commented on her thoughts during the live feed on the live feed thread.
The man asking questions (I have a hunch on who I think it was and I hope I’m wrong) got overly emotional as well. I took heart in the reaction from the audience at large with many of the questions. I also felt Mr. Henry thought these people ridiculous as you could see him battling for composure after some of the questions.
I just wanted to throw that group idea out there as I would be happy to help get such a thing off the ground. I feel it would also show those anti-safe sport people that the equestrian community at large disagrees.
Yep. I just call it a period. Actually had one workplace pull us all in and ask if we could keep any period or tampon discussion in notes because a guy complained that it made him uncomfortable when one of us asked for a tampon openly. Thank God I’m not there anymore.
I once heard some male comedian do a routine about guys being embarrassed to buy tampons. He said buying tampons was great bragging rights. “Hey, look, (brandishing box of tampons) I’ve got a girlfriend. Yep. A girlfriend, see?”
I occasionally had very painful, crampy periods, and stayed home from H.S. once. One time, late in the afternoon, I realized I was out of tampons. I was resigned to going for an uncomfortable walk, when my 13 year old brother got home from school. I asked him if he would go the drugstore/grocery store and buy some for me, and without hesitation he headed out and got them for me, without embarrassment. (My mom was very good on the biology and sex education front!!)
Most likely coincidental. Either COTH runs their own adds (in which case he would have most likely arranged it well in advance) Or it’s a google display ad in which case this would be a likely target for a horsey focused ad anyways
I don’t think Ms. Hobstetter had an appointment - pretty sure she was just walking in and hoping to talk with someone. Honestly, I felt her tone was a bit threatening. I have 150+ questions and I’ll be in your office tomorrow - he really didn’t have any defense when confronted with that.
@TheMoo - that was Ernie Oare asking the questions on the live feed.
There is likely a tracking pixel which is collecting information about your online activity and serving up digital ad (banner) content based on your user behavior and any conversations in which you are engaging. For example, I just looked up Chik Fil A Bowl , and now I have some small Chik Fil A banners near the bottom of the page.
Yesterday I was looking at a specific Cole Haan shoe and I also now see shoe store ads.
I have not seen the McIntosh stables ad but have seen some other COTH-related banners. I suspect the premium spaces may be served up by COTH with additional ad space being more behavioral-related. Smart move on their part since they are earning revenue based on activity from those banners, which is targeted toward your behavior. The internet is tracking your every move!
But your Smartphone listens to you and ads are targeted based on what it overhears. FB & Instagram are the two most obvious examples and the first place I noticed it. My SO was headed out to pick up a few things and he asked if I needed anything. I said yes, a bottle of 91% rubbing alcohol, please. Ordering off Amazon later and guess what they suggest for me? I have never ever ordered any sort of astringent from Amazon.
Recently he was griping about Wells Fargo - I got bombarded with their ads on IG afterwards until I hid them. I don’t have a Wells Fargo account, never have.
No one on that website named Duncan that I could find.
Let’s not assume they have anything to do with him or have him around their barn.
If they claim him then OK, but it doesn’t seem that they do.
This is the sort of discussion that may bring progress.:yes:
Ask! Are you affiliated in any manner with Duncan McIntosh? No? Good, then I may consider riding and having my kids ride with you. Tell me about your program.
Yes? You are affiliated with Duncan Forsyth McIntosh ? Have you seen his public statements regarding Safe Sport, the incredibly inappropriate statements online about the sexualization of children?
Well then, here’s a copy of his statement. Sorry, I want nothing to do with your business and will look elsewhere for instruction/sales/letting you near any child that I know.
The phrase “thought policing” is interesting and gets people going, but it’s not applicable here. He is putting those thoughts into action: repeatedly publicly posting rants that, while they may read as confused and convoluted, nonetheless espouse ideas the exact opposite of SS training. His writing is not clear, but his message is. We all understand it. Perpetrators will understand it. Victims will understand it. It’s not even a dog whistle; it’s all right there.
If one of our teachers who has been through the Child Safety training and certified as having taken the training and qualified for another year of teaching was privately thinking as Duncan McIntosh, we would not know about it and could not “police” it. If we heard second or third hand that he thinks this way, we still could do nothing. Both scenarios would be “thought policing.” However, if one of our teachers wrote that kind of insane crap 1) on public forums, 2) repeatedly, yes, he’d be reported and be facing discipline at our school within 24 hours of posting. And rightfully so. We would not be policing his thoughts, we’d be sanctioning him for going on a public ranting campaign putting forth repugnant ideas in direct contradiction of the training we had put our name on the line saying he had completed and with which he would comply. Most professions with which I deal have obligations to avoid “impropriety or the appearance of impropriety” and enforcing those is non-controversial. Nowhere is this more important than with professionals who work with children. People get reported and even fired on the regular for what they post on social media. This is not something new.
You cannot have people pass your training and certify them as having done so for a school year (or a season for SS) and then have them publicly banging on and pushing theories in direct contradiction of that training. He demonstrably (not thinking in his head) either does not understand his training or he has ticked the boxes and still openly doesn’t agree/adhere to the basic tenets of the training or the organization. It begs the question what such certification is worth if people can tick the box and then publicly post what amounts to a road map for grooming for and justifying the exact behaviour SS is set up to eradicate.
I’ve commented on this thread a few times but I dug up an alter just for this post…not because I’m embarrassed but I just don’t want this coming up if someone searches my farm name.
[B][I]"But each community and each family and each individual have a part, as do the time clocks of each body.
My friend’s daughter had a “visit from the friend”, at 10 years old, and he is incredibly aware and strategic on the subject."[/I][/B]
The above quote from Duncan McIntosh is so incredibly disturbing to me, because I was ten years old when I started having my period and I was IN. NO. WAY. ready for a sexual relationship.
That first period was an incredibly traumatic event for me, and I remember days of sobbing and begging my mother to let me have a hysterectomy. Ridiculous, I know, but I didn’t want to be the only girl in elementary school who was going through puberty already.
My body was, maturity-wise, light years ahead of my emotional self, and for a grown man to in any way insinuate that just because a girl is going through puberty that her sexual “time clock” is more advanced is just disgusting.
These are good points. However, I think the difference may lie in public employees vs. private sector. A teacher is a public employee, paid by tax dollars, so I am assuming that the bar of conduct is set higher – a parent shouldn’t be forced to “vote with their feet” in the same way that someone who patronizes a business can (in the way that @skydy describes above). A private business or organization can choose to adopt and enforce a code of conduct that includes social media behaviour, but that is at their discretion. (Maybe someone with labour law/human rights law/HR expertise can correct me if I’m wrong!)
I think there’s a lot of nuances as to how these situations are handled, even in the public sector. Where I live, a city staffer was recently terminated because of his online, off-duty activities with white supremacist groups. On the other hand, Jordan Peterson very publicly declared that he would not comply with the provincial human rights code regarding transgender students, and he still teaches at UofT.
In my (very non-expert) opinion, I think SafeSport is right to tread carefully in cases where all we have is words, not evidence of deeds. First, they’ve got a backlog of actual pedophiles to slog through; second, they’ve already got howls of “witch hunt” to contend with.
(I do think that Duncan McIntosh’s words should be used against him IF anyone brings an allegation forward. I also applaud any private citizen who spreads the word about Duncan McIntosh and his vile and disturbing attitudes so that people can make informed decisions about whether to train with him. And yes, I keep mentioning Duncan MacIntosh’s name (with alternate spellings) in the hope that if someone Googles his name, this thread will rise to the top of the search 😉)
