No, not the person standing next to the person taking the video
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Are you serious?? People walk by people being attacked on the streets in this country yet you want to prosecute someone for standing next to the person taking the video?
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I meant the person standing near the horse being brutalized, watching CW as she beat the poor mare. Who was that person?
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I meant the person standing near the horse being brutalized, watching CW as she beat the poor mare. Who was that person?[/QUOTE]
Oh yea maybe she was giving a lounge lesson:no::mad:
The trouble is, especially in America, most states and counties would not prosecute a horse pwner/rider for doing what is shown on the video. Yes, even that bad.
A person can call the police for things like this and there will be absolutely no results. The barn manager and even most of the people in the barn may be against the person.
Its ignorant comments like this that stop poeple reporting abuse!
Animal Control WILL do something, the police WILL do something. Do not believe for one moment that reporting animal abuse is āuselessā. Countless animals have been impounded from abusive homes and rehabbed and adopted out to live their lives with the love they deserve because one person decided to make a call. One call can, and does save lives.
Please be factual, even if its horrible news like this.
It is an aweful situation, for something like this to happen. to a horseā¦ but please be factual about your information. It is easy to find the facts on the internet.
āAnimal Control WILL do something, the police WILL do something. Do not believe for one moment that reporting animal abuse is āuselessā. Countless animals have been impounded from abusive homes and rehabbed and adopted out to live their lives with the love they deserve because one person decided to make a call. One call can, and does save lives.ā
Maybe this is very true where you are.
Where I live, there is little anyone CAn do, because the state considers animals āproperty,ā and unless an animal is starving and pretty near death or morbidly injured and getting no care or such, there is no authority given to take animals away from such a person or situation.
I hope to God she doesnāt have any children.
People donāt always handle their children the same way they do horses, but it isnāt uncommon. Some people have a problem and it affects how they do everything.
The strange thing about the training video is that the horse isnāt even doing anything wrong that heās getting punished for. Itās going around on the longe line and sheās just hitting it. Every time, the horse tries to kick out, periodically, she just hits it.
Itās surreal, really, like there is something disconnected in her brain. Iām not sure Iāve ever seen anything so strange. It actually looks like she really thinks she is doing some sort of training. She isnāt losing her temper actually, sheās not mad, this is just how she trains. I think thatās the most unsettling thing about it.
The other very odd thing is that the woman is 60 years old. She isnāt a young impatient person who gets carried away with herself and doesnāt realize sheās getting carried away. Sheās 60, and sheās been convicted for doing this before. She has to know that she has a problem. I bet sheās been around horses long enough to have learned that roughness like this is pointless, and just makes horses either fight back or shut down. And she still does this. Thatās why itās very strange to watch. Itās really creepy.
Reporting abuse is the ethical thing to do, and perhaps itās harsh to say itās useless, but itās also a little naive to assume that if, say, a young working student for a BNT goes to authorities to report abuse at a well-kept facility the authorities will so something. Assuming they even go to the place to check it all, theyāll find a BNT who looks sane, respectable and prosperous, and who can probably come up with a pretty good story about how the working student didnāt work out because he/she couldnāt ride, didnāt want to work hard enough, etc. Without hard proof, what do you think authorities are going to do? If the place is run down and there are skinny horses, dirty stalls, etc., in plain sight, it may be a different story. But otherwise itās a āhe said-she saidā type of situation. We live in a society that protects personal liberties. Besides, people are easily deceived by outward appearances.
This shouldnāt discourage anyone from reporting abuse. Sometimes it takes multiple reports for authorities to do anything. If authorities get enough reports from different people, they are more likely to do something.
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People donāt always handle their children the same way they do horses, but it isnāt uncommon. Some people have a problem and it affects how they do everything.
The strange thing about the training video is that the horse isnāt even doing anything wrong that heās getting punished for. Itās going around on the longe line and sheās just hitting it. Every time, the horse tries to kick out, periodically, she just hits it. Itās surreal, really. Iām not sure Iāve ever seen anything so strange. It actually looks like she really thinks she is doing some sort of training.[/QUOTE]
I have been thinking the same thing. It looks like she is trying to train the horse to ājumpā bigger in its canter stride, or get the horse more forward with its head tied down so deep on a very short circle. In any event, it is dreadful to see.
Am I the only person who actually said, āGood Horseyā in the part of the video where it shows her riding and the horse finally rears up because of her hitting and spurring?:mad:
30 minutes of abuse with a longe whip on that size of a circle with the drawing of blood, PLUS the fact that she has been convicted once before SHOULD mean that this person should be banned from being near horses for the rest of her life. Letās hope so anyway.
The video will hopefully get the word out to anyone who DOESNāT know about her past.
when does this go back to court?
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A former German toprider was caught (again) on hidden camera while beating
her horse over 500 times with the steel end of the whip, this beating went on for over half an hour.
At the end you can see that a girl from Animal Welfare toke this horse to a clinic.
This rider was already convicted for the same thing almost a year ago. (REMEMBER)
In the meantime the rider moved to Danmark.
****** Warning schocking footage *******
http://www.rtl.de/rtlaktuell/rtl_aktuell_videoplayer.php?article=22414&pos=5
Indentity of the person is kept secret[/QUOTE]
Christine Wel could only get away with this kind of abuse year after year after yearā¦on a warmblood
A hot blooded TB or arabian would have killed her long ago.
Thatās why hot bloodedās arenāt so common at the F.E.I. level.
āPeople can abuse warmbloods year after year and they wonāt fight backā
I think that whole premise is very much off base. First of all, todayās warmbloods at those top levels are as hot as two dollar pistols and very hard for lesser riders to ride (who for some reason think these horses are easy because they are warmbloods) and have plenty of thoroughbred and hotter blood (swedish warmblood, selle francais), and they DO fight back if they are abused just as any animal might. Itās ridiculous to suggest these horses arenāt every bit as hot or hotter than a thoroughbred or arab some amateur rider owns and feels so proud of.
These top horses are for the most part very, very hot horses and they, just the same as ANY type of horse, can fight back when abused - a horse can injure someone horribly even when it ISNāT āfighting backā - just in trying to get away, or panicking, a horse can leave a trail of seriously injured people. That is one of the reasons even the most selfish and messed up person will hold back from abuse - because they realize itās going to bounce back on them some day. Itās only the very rare individual that keeps abusing animals like CW. It is a flaw in the individual and has nothing to do with dressage or competing of any type.
accepting abuse is no more a warmblood trait than it is a trait of any breed of horse.
Animals accepting abuse is a process that can affect any animal - they are simply treated that way every day til they donāt fight back. They are, in a sense, ātrainedā to accept abuse, as all animals would do when there is no escape and no relief. Abuse is precisely so horrible because animals - and humans - are ātrainedā to be abused and continue to suffer. They DO stop fighting back - when there is no escape. What we see that horse doing on that video is not anything typical of warmbloods - it is typical of chronically abused animals of any breed or type.
Christine Wel could only get away with this kind of abuse year after year after yearā¦on a warmblood
A hot blooded TB or arabian would have killed her long ago.
Thatās why hot bloodedās arenāt so common at the F.E.I. level.
Right. That must be it.:lol:
I donāt know which is more ignorant, your belief that very high spirited horses are not common at FEI or your premise that everyone at FEI level abuses horses.:no:
Or maybe you are just bored and trying to stir things up.
I think itās pretty common knowledge that Germanās ride warmbloods. They breed warmbloods for temperament, they breed for horses that SUBMIT.
TB horses are bred for speed. A submissive will is certainly not in the recipe.
:lol: Guess thatās just cowboy logic.
The thing about it, the fiery will, high spirit of the hot blooded horse is also revealed in his movement.
Standing on the rail, a hot blood going by, even though he might get ruled out of the ring for bad behavior. His or her movement will likely leave me breathless, with goose bumps of delight over having witnessed the movement.
Your submissive warmblood going past winning the class, he did all his transitions right on the letter. But he likely bored me to death watching.
The hotblood, the glorious mover, we can work on the test for submission and accuracy.
Thereās nothing can be done for the warmblood, his movement is what it is.
Yes, little miss Christine would get herself killed treating a hot blooded TB like that.
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I think itās pretty common knowledge that Germanās ride warmbloods. They breed warmbloods for temperament, they breed for horses that SUBMIT.
TB horses are bred for speed. A submissive will is certainly not in the recipe.
:lol: Guess thatās just cowboy logic.
The thing about it, the fiery will, high spirit of the hot blooded horse is also revealed in his movement.
Standing on the rail, a hot blood going by, even though he might get ruled out of the ring for bad behavior. His or her movement will likely leave me breathless, with goose bumps of delight over having witnessed the movement.
Your submissive warmblood going past winning the class, he did all his transitions right on the letter. But he likely bored me to death watching.
The hotblood, the glorious mover, we can work on the test for submission and accuracy.
Thereās nothing can be done for the warmblood, his movement is what it is.
Yes, little miss Christine would get herself killed treating a hot blooded TB like that.[/QUOTE]
Out of curiosity how many upper level warmbloods have you watched lately:) As someone who lives in the heart of TB country and use to work in the TB racing industry I donāt think your statement is 100% accurate.
When a WB goes past me on the rail shaking the earth making my stadiam seat rattle while heās doing a piaff or passage.
I know that heās damaging his joints hitting the ground so hard. I know his dressage is a farce. I know heās keeping some veterinarian employeed with pain killers and drug companies in business with artificial joint lubricant.
A TB would rebel before heād hit a foot to the gound and make the stadium seats rattle. It would have to be done with lightness, true dressage. Thatās why you donāt see TBās out there. Thatās why a WB will rattle your seat going past.
Most if not all old school masters, they have infirmity issues from the lifetime of false dressage. You wonāt find old upper level crippled TB schoolmasters to be had. They wouldnāt tolerate the abuse to begin with.
I am not sure I have seen so many baseless breed prejudices and unfair over-generalizations all in one place in a long, long time.
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I am not sure I have seen so many baseless breed prejudices and unfair over-generalizations all in one place in a long, long time.[/QUOTE]
I bet you're horse gets joint lubricant shots.
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