Getting a TWH -- A few questions

The horse will be used for trail riding. I think I’ve seen gaited western saddles, I’m wondering how those are different from a regular western saddle. Is a gaited saddle necessary or will any properly fitting western saddle be ok? I don’t want to get the wrong thing.

I’ve never had a TWH before, is there anything else I should know??

Thanks!!

The horse is a pitiful craigslist fixer upper… a complete skeleton. How anyone can let a horse get so skinny amazes me. Suposedly he’s bombproof and I can tell he’s very kind. Waiting for a vet check, but as soon as we get him home I’ll post photos.

Hooray for you! Jingles that he’ll be your perfect match!

Three years ago I got my first TWH with no gaited experience, also needing lots of groceries and having a rough couple of years. He has my heart now, like no other horse has. Their disposition is really just so sweet and giving. I hope you fall in love with him!

On the saddle issue, very qualified folks will chime in with good advice I’m sure. My advice is to ignore the “gaited” label and look for a saddle that fits your guy, and provides adequate room for the big shoulder movement. I had experienced a saddle fitting nightmare with my previous horse (not gaited), and the lesson I learned was to hold off buying a saddle until I’m sure of the fit and understood the horse’s issues, and had put on the needed weight and muscle. If you know of anyone with gaited horses, seek out their help. I rode my guy in a dressage saddle with a Mattes pad until I could figure out how he moves and what he needed, and make sense of how to fit his shark withers and huge shoulders (I ended up with a Tucker Plantation). I talked with lots of people, and took him to a very knowledgable saddle fitter to get advice. 2+ years later, we’re still happy with our choice, and I’m glad I took the time to get it right.

Best wishes to both of you!

My first walking horse came to me just a year ago. I had know her the previous 2 years. She was very problematic for her owners. I was looking for a project. They were looking to sell her, but the mare had too many issues to put off on another unsuspecting novice. A plan was made. I brought the mare home. I fell in love. I rehomed my beloved mustang. The rest is history.

I have been through a number of saddles for her. None of mine fit. The first one I bought her had a manufacturing defect. The second saddle is still here. The first english saddle we both outgrew. She has put on a lot of muscle. The second english saddle fits us both like a charm.

Seek out advice of a knowledgable gaited horse person. You will learn more than you thought you could or should. They are different moving, but a horse is still a horse. If the saddle fits, you are fine. These horses do move a bit differently and learning to ride them is a lot of fun.

I am eagerly looking for another gaited horse, be it a walker or a otstb (off the track standardbred). I think I will wait for an OTSTB. I am looking for a stouter larger horse that is younger than my mare. She is 12. She is wonderful. I love her to pieces. She will always have a home here.

Good luck with yours. You will get a lot of advice.

Look up gaitedhorsesense.com. It is a forum dedicated to gaited horses. There is a lot of useful information there. This forum is great as well, but there, you will really get specific, albeit varying, answers about these horses.

Congratulations! Keep us posted!

First, congratulations on the new horse.

Second, forget he’s a TWH. He’s a horse. So, if he’s a horse, he needs a saddle that fits, a bit he’s happy with, and shoeing/trimming that keeps him in balance and good footed. He needs to carry himself well, and use himself well.

Buy the book Easy Gaited Horses by Lee Ziegler. You don’t need any other books.

If you want to look into DVDs about riding them and training them, check out Larry Whitesell’s line of DVDs or clinic with him. He’s out of Baxter, TN I think. Liz Graves is also good for this line of work.

The Gaited Horse Sense web forum is a good one, expect there, as in anywhere, to have to sort wheat from chaff.

I love my gaited horses, and I got into them at 35, quite by accident. They are lovely, lovely lovely animals. Each has their own unique way of going.

Pictures???

Congrats on the new purchase.

I guess the first thing, as Katherine notes, is to accept that a Walker is a horse. As a rule treat it like any other horse. There may be a difference or two, but they are minimal.

Regarding saddles, “gaited horse saddles” are more of a marketing initiative than an operational concept. Find one that fits and you’ll do OK.

But finding one that fits will be a big problem for you with a really thin horse. And if you find one it won’t fit when the horse fills out. You might need two, three, four or more during the rehab process. Maybe the more practical (and economical) approach is to go with a bareback pad and keep the saddle work light and in the arena until the horse fills out.

As to why folks let horses get like this, the reasons are legion. Family problems, financial problems, lack of skill by the owner, lack of knowledge, a mean spririt, or a difficult equine temperment are all reasons. None are excuses.

Have you done a Henneke Scale score? If not, do one. Measure and photograph. It will make a nice “scrapbook” and keep Animal Control off your back if a nosy neighbor decides to call them because of your “starved horse.” Sadly, this sometimes happens.

Lots of ground work will be rule until the horse becomes strong enough and fit enough for work under saddle. If you don’t know how to longe, long line, etc. now’s a good time to add some new skills for you! :slight_smile:

One thing you may find is that the horse you have now will not be the same horse you have in six months. A starved horse without the energy to express itself may turn out to be very “expressive” when properly fed up. Indeed, one reason people sometimes “functionally abandon” horses is that they are too much for them and rather than sell them they just lose interst and “warehouse” them (poorly).

Good luck and keep a record of what you do. It will make intersting reading in the future, keep The Authorities off your back for now, and can help educate others in the the process.

G.

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Congrats on the new purchase.

Regarding saddles, “gaited horse saddles” are more of a marketing initiative than an operational concept. Find one that fits and you’ll do OK.

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I thought that might be the case. Thanks for confirming.

One other thing…
He appears sound, but he does not have a lot of flexion in his stifles or hocks when he moves (err, when he walks – I’ve only seen his skeleton self move at a walk).
I’m thinking this is within the range of normal for a gaited horse??? Or is that a red flag? It’s really not that bad, but is it normal for them to swing their hind legs moreso than bend them upwards? I hope that made sense.

I’m not too familiar with Walkers, but of the ones I’ve seen IMO their hind legs tend to look more like they’re “sweeping” along rather than the bend you’ll see in a non-walker.

And as others have said you don’t need a “gaited” horse saddle. But if you’re going western I’d look for one with rounded skirts so that they don’t get in the way.

Ditto getting Lee Ziegler’s book.

Here are some of her articles:
http://www.lizgraves.com/lee_zieglers_classroom.html

Liz Graves also has a lot of stuff online:
http://www.lizgraves.com/articlen.html

He may be so pacey that he looks funky when he moves. They don’t all offer a running walk- there are many intermediate gears he might possess. Post some pics.

here’s an untrained, natural, baby TWH - this is ideal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA1li-KPxfo
and another of hers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82TYCfPeFa0

So you can see theres action in the stifle- notsomuch in the hock.

Your guy maybe pacing/lateral walking to such an extent he looks like he’s just swinging that leg forward.

Horses with a more lateral gait often will have a slightly longer and slightly more angulated rear leg. Some are also “sickle hocked.” There is a segment of the Walking Horse world that thinks sickle hocks are a Good Thing, as they allow for more “overstride.” They do allow for more overstride, but also weaken the leg.

Again, a small angulation and extra length is no cause for alarm. Poor hocks are.

With the horse in it’s present, poor condition evaluation of gait may be difficult. I’d not even try until it’s strong and fit enough to move easily. That could well take several weeks, or even months, depending on how poor its condition is.

Give it some time and keep a record.

G.

Congrats!!!

My new TWH is coming home on Saturday… so I feel your excitement. I got into TWHs in 1998 after years of riding hunters and western pleasure horses. I worked with them (as part of a mounted unit) and fell in love with their kind nature.

Fast forward to this month. I sold my Appaloosa show horse and adopted my first TWH trail horse. I have decided to go gaited for good. I have a TWH boarded here, so ultimately it was time. I am going to use my wide tree big horn western style endurance saddle on him. It fits him well and I use a felt saddle pad with gel inserts.

I have used everything from hunt saddles, dressage saddles, cutbacks, and gaited saddles on them. It really as depends on what fits. Ultimately, there shoulder MUST be free. And you will find some of them need a little extra padding along their backs. Just try a bunch once he has gained wieght and see what works for you both. My boarder has a gaited saddle and while it is beautiful, not really necessary.

Keep us posted!

hillview farms Evolutionary saddles.

I have owned so many saddles in my life! Now I can use just one on any of my horses. You may want to go look here, especially if you have a horse who’s back is going to be changing. They are expensive but worth it in the log run. Orthoflex is similar, there are others but their names escape me now. The owner of Hillview lets you test drive them, tho…which was huge.

I know lots of gaited folks ride in these panel saddles. I don’t have gaited horses, but 5 different breeds with really different backs.

This way you could buy a saddle now that you can still be riding when your new guy fills out!

You could also watch ebay for used flex panel saddles, I did that for a while but never saw the style I wanted come up…until after I bought mine full price of course! Endurance.net has them every now and then too! Good luck.

Just as JazzRider and G said, it is just a label, and well put G, a marketing concept, just like IMO the endurance saddle (western saddle with a rounded skirt and no horn a bit lighter). People THINK it is specially made for a gaited horse, it may be, but all other saddles will fit a gaited horse.

I rode my arab many many years in a Solstice, wide width. Guess what, it fits my Rocky too. She is a wide too.

I hear alot of issues with “gaited saddles”. Don’t be fooled on this saddle issue.

Only thing on a gaited is you have to have them go the speed you like, and your back end likes best too. Too bouncy, speed up just a hair or slow down. You will need a maybe a little more leg or less leg. You may need a little more contact on the bit or maybe a little less.

It is the three bears. Not too hot, not too cold, just right.

You may want to have the horse checked out by a horse chiro. They can go out just like other horses, when they do their gait suffers.

Bless you for taking a horse who needed a major upgrade.

TWH’s are a tough breed, sweet tempered.

Thanks guys! I suspected that his way of going was normal for the breed, so it seems like that’s been confirmed! I’m sure when my DQ friend sees him she will say “he doesn’t have enough flexion in his back legs…” so now I can assure her that it’s alright for him to be that way :slight_smile: Thanks for the videos Katarine!

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Buy the book Easy Gaited Horses by Lee Ziegler. You don’t need any other books.
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I second this. I bought this book because Katerine recommended it. It helped me make sense of some things!

I got a TWH about two years ago. She is amazing.

Here’s a gaited board where they constantly talk about saddles and tack in general. It might be a good place to start.

http://gaitedhorsesense.com/forums/forum-view.asp?fid=3

Erin

I third or fourth Lee Ziegler. Amazing book, truly debunks a lot of gaited horse lore and offers very sound training and riding advice.

I’ve had my racking mare for four years and my walker gelding for three. The gelding is the honestest, kindest, most willing horse I’ve owned. He’s a sensitive little guy who had been neglected (although not quite starved) and abused by his former people. He was terrifed of men, “uncatchable” and headshy. Now he will walk right up to anyone and allow his head to be handled. He even showed Mr Jeano how to put on his rope halter the day I had to be away when the farrier came. Just a big, huge heart and soul, that’s what he is. I suspect that this is a breed characteristic. I do love the rack but since many walkers can rack (mine cannot) as well I think I will stick to TWHs on account of that splendid, forgiving disposition.

Him, you can put durn near any saddle on and he’ll do his thing. I am most comfortable with a crummy old wintec dressage saddle and he’ll trailride all day in his.

Thanks for the advice everyone! The horse was actually purchased by a neighbor but he will be staying at my barn. I’ll post pics soon, waiting for the owner to email me.

He is 16 hands and according to my weight tape weighs only 861 lbs!!

He’s very serious about eating but not at all grumpy, emotional, or territorial about his food, even though he has every right to be! He is a cheerful dude and seems more perky already!

Also his chest is super narrow, is this a breed characteristic?

depends on the breeding, really- some are tank like some are nearly 2 dimensional :slight_smile:

Ditto on what everyone said about ignoring the “gaited horse” label. I’m so proud there are several of you on here smart enough to know better :wink:

By the way, the same information goes for riding him. Ignore the gaited horse nonsense, and think of him as a horse with extra gears to encourage or discourage as you wish. Gaited horses of any breed can tend towards any one or more of the smooth gaits, with a few not being able to gait at all. Find out what comes naturally to yours, and expand on that.

You don’t need a curb bit, you don’t need special shoes, and you don’t need to sit on his kidneys and hunch your back over like a cockroach to ride him :wink:

Here’s a video of a natural trail style running walk and foxtrot to give you some more gait ideas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_7mfuJXi_w

Very nice gait and nice color! That’s about how fast my horse gaits, is it fast enough to complete an LD? We’re already signed up for some trail trials, it’d be nice to do some LD’s just to round him out as a trail horse.

Erin

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Ditto on what everyone said about ignoring the “gaited horse” label. I’m so proud there are several of you on here smart enough to know better :wink:

By the way, the same information goes for riding him. Ignore the gaited horse nonsense, and think of him as a horse with extra gears to encourage or discourage as you wish. Gaited horses of any breed can tend towards any one or more of the smooth gaits, with a few not being able to gait at all. Find out what comes naturally to yours, and expand on that.

You don’t need a curb bit, you don’t need special shoes, and you don’t need to sit on his kidneys and hunch your back over like a cockroach to ride him :wink:

Here’s a video of a natural trail style running walk and foxtrot to give you some more gait ideas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_7mfuJXi_w[/QUOTE]