GM is nothing but a bully.

I agree with the above post by Danceronice. However, somehow when it comes to GM I totally forgive him and remain respectful of him and his coaching. We are a very sporty family and I am very familiar with elite athletes and coaches - up to Olympic level - and there has never been a need to be abusive or demeaning to an athlete who puts so much heart and dedication into their sport. It starts as a fun occupation for kids until it morphs into the elite level where every attention to detail is met. Athletes are hard enough on themselves, they need a coach to believe in them and make them bounce off the walls with confidence.

I have, over the years, had abusive clinicians, and have walked out of the classes, or pulled my kids out, if I felt we were not gaining in knowledge or self-esteem from instructors who think it is smart to degrade. One still brags about making kids cry …no meeting of the minds there. It is not about being thin skinned, or needing to be trained a certain way. It is about having my kids in a respectful environment so they learn to be respectful and useful citizens with good role models. There is a fine line between parents pushing their kids or supporting them to reach their goals.

I would imagine that his regular students or the ones who have gone on to greatness, never see the side of GM that is being discussed here. Myself, we found him to be smart, demanding, very quick, could see everything, and had a wonderful use of words and charm.

I would wager that those who criticize GM are neither elite riders or have ever ridden with him…and if they have, they should have figured out what the gig was first.

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“dumbbell” really? Im sure that riders at this level can handle the second grade name calling. Seriously, its not like hes using common four letter words or just talking shit to people for the hell of it. My guess is that these girls know what they are walking into and probably aren’t crying about it when they leave. At their level, nobody gets anywhere by being babied…[/QUOTE]

WHY does someone (anyone) NEED to fall to second grade vocabulary to get a point across? I don’t get it…

I admire him, his knowledge and his stamina. So don’t get me wrong there. I just disagree that it’s okay to use choice words in coaching. Anyone who wants something badly enough will find the intrinsic drive to make it happen. Anyone else isn’t worth his time and isn’t worth his breath (insult or otherwise).

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I almost hate starting this thread… as we’ve been down this road before, and I know where it will end up. But did anyone else catch the quote in the Chronicle’s coverage of the Horsemaster clinic?

“But Morris was not pleased with the group’s execution of the difficult exercise. “Tighten that turn, you dumbbell!” he barked to one rider. “I’m starting to think you’re half-dumb. Don’t waste my time.””

Really? REALLY??? Are you f-ing kidding me?

At what point does USEF say, “Thanks for all you’ve done George… but its best you ride off into the sunset now. Your mouth and unprofessional behavior no longer outweighs your considerable equestrian knowledge.”

I don’t know who he said that to, but he owes the young lady an apology. A SINCERE apology, with a promise to himself that he will never again sink to the level of calling students names that wouldn’t be tolerated in Kindergarten. For all he preaches about how Americans have become so soft and undisciplined… you’d think he’d start by having the self-discipline to act in accordance with basic courtesy.

Look,… I have to admit, I’ve never thought GM was the end-all be-all of the equestrian world. But I have his books, and I acknowledge that he’s a very knowledgeable guy. Knowledgeable enough that I totally understand why grown adults may decide to buy a set of earplugs, don their armour and go clinic with the man. But why are we subjecting our young riders to this crap? And why, as a profession that has SO MANY problems with professional behavior, is the USEF ENDORSING a man who cannot be relied upon to show basic manners?

I’m done. I used to think if I got the opportunity, I’d like to clinic with him. But now he really just makes my skin crawl. He’s a bully. Nothing more. You take a young girl who has, “OMG” made the list of attendees… schleps herself and her horse down to Wellington, and tries her best to comply with your demanding exercises in front of hundreds of people… and you call her a dumbell. You’re a class act George.

Go ahead defenders. Go ahead. Just try to defend this one as one more example of George “telling it like it is”… or being “colorful”… or not suffering fools. I’m waiting…

It makes me sick to my stomach.[/QUOTE]

I didn’t even read most responses… but I just want to say that it’s people like THIS that are ruining this sport.
Be dedicated, pay attention, this is a professional SPORT and these kids were there by invitation. I believe this was said specifically to Molly and at the time- it was warranted.

IF YOU CAN’T TAKE THE HEAT- GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!

This is absolutely ABSURD… put the big girl pants on or just ignore him all together. He has a LOT to offer and has done a LOT for this sport… if you would like to reinvent it… might want to start by proving yourself in the ring…

[QUOTE=jumpingmaya;5341447]
I didn’t even read most responses… but I just want to say that it’s people like THIS that are ruining this sport.
Be dedicated, pay attention, this is a professional SPORT and these kids were there by invitation. I believe this was said specifically to Molly and at the time- it was warranted.

IF YOU CAN’T TAKE THE HEAT- GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!

This is absolutely ABSURD… put the big girl pants on or just ignore him all together. He has a LOT to offer and has done a LOT for this sport… if you would like to reinvent it… might want to start by proving yourself in the ring…[/QUOTE]

I actually have to say that I’ve enjoyed the conversation that has come out of this thread. It’s been interesting to hear various points of views on the subject of sports psychology and motivation. I think these are very valid conversations and the sharing of ideas can really only help us as a whole.

From doublesstable:

 Question:

Is it right or effective to use insults as a method of motivation?

Answer:
No right answer - each person and teacher is different.

+1

— And another Chase Boggio fan here, too.

Having just spent close to a month travelling with GM and being his assistant in clinics for that time, being with him on a daily basis…this whole thread makes me chuckle!

George is George…end of story. He has had so much success because of being himself. After being there for so many clinics, I can see why he gets so frustrated…many riders just dont LISTEN or TRY. As long as you listen to him, pay attention, and TRY to do what he says, you are good as gold! It is those that do not do what he says that get in trouble! As quick as he may be to “insult” (which really, its not insulting, its making the rider WAKE UP…9 times out of 10, when George “insults” a rider the next time the rider does it perfectly…they just need a wake up call!) he is just as quick to give a compliment!!

If you can’t take the “stress” of his clinics, dont watch and dont participate. There are plenty other clinicians out there that just baby the riders…and in my honest opinion…riders need to be TOUGH…and babying them isnt goint to make them tough. They need to have thick skin and get the job done. Being put into a “stressful” situation in which they need to ride to the challenge makes a rider tough.

“dumbell” is far from an insult…as others said, walking out of a clinic as the worst thing that was said is a huge compliment within itself.

as for the fat comments…yes, he does say them, sometimes they are 100% accurate, sometimes they arent so accurate, but as said before…he is what he is, he preaches what he believes in…he is in his 70s (i wont quote exact age) and he works out DAILY, watches what he eats, and focuses on his fitness. So his belief is, if he can do, people younger than him can…and that is something i completely believe in as well!! Does that make me a bully?!?

Agreed…for me, insults are a HUGE motivation…I do NOT do well under the babying philosophy…I would MUCH rather hear what I did wrong, then what I did right. How will I improve if I only hear compliments?!

To each his own.

BHRunner, thanks for sharing. It’s clear with GM “insults” are motivation.

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Agreed…for me, insults are a HUGE motivation…I do NOT do well under the babying philosophy…I would MUCH rather hear what I did wrong, then what I did right. How will I improve if I only hear compliments?!

To each his own.[/QUOTE]

Insults are different than being told what you did wrong.

Examples:

Insult: Your an idiot, your circle is horrible.

What did you learn from this? Well, your circle is not correct, but what is wrong with it?

Correction: You are making an oval shape, not a circle and it is 30M, not 20M.

What did you learn from this? You learn exactly what you did wrong. With this, you can correct your mistake.

I would find any trainer, Mr. Morris included, to lack communication skills if he needs to resort to name calling. I am sure he knows a lot, but this makes him only human and probably not the best teacher out there.

I agree…but when a trainer, George included, as givent he construction criticism time and time again on the same subject matter, to no avail, it gets frustrating…thus resulting in an “insult”…

and again, to each his own…personally, for me, he IS the best teacher out there. obviously others think differently

I am sure he knows a lot, but this makes him only human and probably not the best teacher out there.

But he has demonstrated decade after decade that he is the best teacher out there.

He didn’t get to where he is today without being the best. And that’s been proven time and time again with his students’ records.

He might not be the best teacher for every personality rider out there. More sensitive or easily offended people might not agree he’s the best for them.

Now is he the best because of his style or despite it? Who knows? But the proof is in the pudding and for as long as I’ve been alive (and I’m not young) he’s been making more medal worthy puddings than any other teacher out there.

Nothing personal…not to be insulting…

But only an IDIOT would make the statement that GM is NOTHING but a bully.

WOW.

WHAT A DUMBELL!

[quote=JustJump;5341926]
Nothing personal…not to be insulting…

But only an IDIOT would make the statement that GM is NOTHING but a bully.

WOW.

WHAT A DUMBELL![/quote/]

Just Jump, you are my hero! :smiley:

I only read the original post, because I know where the discussion would go…

However, two thoughts:

  1. I have been called a lot worse by lesser instructors. I voted with my feet, and pocketbook, and found new instruction.

  2. If you ride in a GM clinic, you’d better have a thick skin. It’s no secret that he is a character. If you don’t think you can handle it, even if you are a top equitation rider, don’t ride in the clinic. Pretty simple.

(I would toughen my skin up in a hurry to ride with GM. He can call me whatever he wants, but I would LOVE the opportunity to learn from a person with his track record and experience. But I’m pretty sure he doesn’t take long-stirrup adult riders. :D)

AMEN… and I couldn’t agree more… it does act like as a wake up call!

The clinic is archived. I went and watched. It really didn’t seem that harsh to me. It was not like the girl was first and might not have understood. It was about the 5th time through for her and GM continued to tell her “tighter spiral, tighter spiral” (GM loves to repeat words over and over like “contact, contact, contact or laig, laig, laig!”) The other riders had spirallled into a near pirouette and she was riding a tightly bent 30m circle.
If the lesson kids at my barn went to ride with GM on schoolies, I might not expect stern criticism but these “kids” are jumping big jumps and complicated courses and aspire to be leaders in the sport. The expectation is higher.
During one exercise he had the riders turn their sticks up, like a race rider. It was when water jumps were introduced. He exempted one rider because the horse was overreactive. Fair enough, that’s good horsemanship-don’t fry his brain then ask a tough question. Then one of the other riders didn’t “flip her stick” on the approach to the line with the big water jump and he asked her to halt and follow instruction. She did, and the line rode well.

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Correction: You are making an oval shape, not a circle and it is 30M, not 20M.

What did you learn from this? You learn exactly what you did wrong. With this, you can correct your mistake.[/QUOTE]

Maybe I’m being “obtuse” for giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I am assuming this tactic was tried.

Simple distinction that no one is making:
Few believe “abusive” training is beneficial.
Many believe “dumbbell” is not an example of abusive.

A limited vocabulary, or simply no time to whip out the prose, and substitute “obtuse” for dumbbell, does not make this man a bully. If you want to debate his overall manner as a human then fine, but this instance is not legitimate ammunition.

I.e.: harp on the a$$holes out there that really are bullying their students and horses, and have absolutely no record to back up such a teaching style as “successful”.

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I didn’t even read most responses… but I just want to say that it’s people like THIS that are ruining this sport.
Be dedicated, pay attention, this is a professional SPORT and these kids were there by invitation. I believe this was said specifically to Molly and at the time- it was warranted.

IF YOU CAN’T TAKE THE HEAT- GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!

This is absolutely ABSURD… put the big girl pants on or just ignore him all together. He has a LOT to offer and has done a LOT for this sport… if you would like to reinvent it… might want to start by proving yourself in the ring…[/QUOTE]

I couldn’t have said it better.

My daughter participated in a GM clinic this fall. Yes, I saw instances where he yelled at and “insulted” riders and the jump crew. His frustrations were invariably about inattention. He expects riders to listen to his instructions to everyone, not just to what he says personally to them. If you’re not listening to all his directions, then you’re wasting his time and your opportunity.

At the end of the clinic, he addressed each rider separately with parting words. He told DD that she was an excellent student. She listened, she tried hard, and she noticeably improved. I think this is what GM is seeking of every rider, regardless of their skill level.

GM is dramatic and his comments are not PC. BUT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF HIS CLINICS, they are effective in the moment and drive his points home to the rider and all those in attendance. This is what I have come to expect of GM and what we paid for, frankly. His approach works for my DD and obviously for many hundreds (thousands?) of others.

[QUOTE=bhrunner06;5341887]
I agree…but when a trainer, George included, as givent he construction criticism time and time again on the same subject matter, to no avail, it gets frustrating…thus resulting in an “insult”…

and again, to each his own…personally, for me, he IS the best teacher out there. obviously others think differently[/QUOTE]

Thanks for chiming in! I agree with everything you have said. Not because I am a “sheep of GM” it’s because being in the horse world for over 40 years; his methodology; what and how he teaches is RIGHT for me too…